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Old 12-06-2011 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
ATR's start leaving next year as scheduled.
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Old 12-06-2011 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly782
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Old 12-06-2011 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by m78fl370
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Well it could be either. I don't see why they wouldnt get rid of them now, they have been wanting to and stating they will for awhile.

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Old 12-06-2011 | 04:56 PM
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they were going to leave over two years. now maybe faster.
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Old 12-07-2011 | 07:09 AM
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We had 39, parked 3 earlier this year. 3 more are being parked this month. The storing of these airframes was planed pre BK due to maintenance cost. It was cheaper for the company to park them and pay the leases then to fix them. The ATR's have depreciated in value to much to spend on high maintenance ticket items. We will be left with 33 active and 6 parked starting 2012. BK may accelerate the removal of this fleet type.
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Old 12-07-2011 | 07:42 AM
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Here, I fixed it for you!

Originally Posted by bailee atr
We had 39, parked 3 earlier this year. 3 more are being parked this month. The storing of these airframes was planed pre BK due to maintenance cost. It was cheaper for the company to park them and pay the leases then to fix them. The ATR's have depreciated in value to much to spend on high maintenance ticket items. We will be left with 33 active and 6 parked starting 2012. BK may accelerate the replacement of this fleet type.
AMR "needs" a T-Prop feed in DFW with all the military installations being served. Of course a jet can do the feed for a higher cost. But there is more to the ATR than fuel efficiency, CRJ or Q400 don't have the cargo room to carry all the military bags that account for over 60% of cargo being move by the ATR in Dallas. Also one has to take into account CG limits when loading thousands of pounds worth heavy military bags in the rear of the aircraft but only having 1/2 the seats filled. The ERJ doesn't have the carrying capacity of the ATR. The military pays allot more than we do on Travelocity for a ticket, AMR would be abandoning profits if this was the case. With that said management can drop frequency or abandon routes done by the ATR but one would think that the ATR 72-600 is in play, AMR has been in negotiations with ATR for the 600 as early as this summer. AMR asked ATR to upgrade the Pack. AMR has stated that aircrafts will be parked and or replaced, the ATR is a leased aircraft that is past its "passenger" time, There are cargo carriers that will look to acquire the ATRs once AMR vacates the leases and thus opening the opportunity to lease a new aircraft. Most are soon to be due for heavy maintenance that makes replacing the entire airframe more economical. AMR CH11 has been in the works for a long time, doesn't matter how much relief AA/AE employees would have given in contract 30,000,000,000 worth of debt was still in the books. AMR would have taken on even more debt with the arriving aircraft order and older aircraft parked but paying leases for. We don't know what the future holds for us, but we know the training department is training full speed ahead (it's actually backed up), and they made changes and re-posted the flow plan but we have put a freeze to hiring for the time being (hover long that might be)
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Old 12-07-2011 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by What
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AMR "needs" a T-Prop feed in DFW with all the military installations being served. Of course a jet can do the feed for a higher cost. But there is more to the ATR than fuel efficiency, CRJ or Q400 don't have the cargo room to carry all the military bags that account for over 60% of cargo being move by the ATR in Dallas. Also one has to take into account CG limits when loading thousands of pounds worth heavy military bags in the rear of the aircraft but only having 1/2 the seats filled. The ERJ doesn't have the carrying capacity of the ATR. The military pays allot more than we do on Travelocity for a ticket, AMR would be abandoning profits if this was the case. With that said management can drop frequency or abandon routes done by the ATR but one would think that the ATR 72-600 is in play, AMR has been in negotiations with ATR for the 600 as early as this summer. AMR asked ATR to upgrade the Pack. AMR has stated that aircrafts will be parked and or replaced, the ATR is a leased aircraft that is past its "passenger" time, There are cargo carriers that will look to acquire the ATRs once AMR vacates the leases and thus opening the opportunity to lease a new aircraft. Most are soon to be due for heavy maintenance that makes replacing the entire airframe more economical. AMR CH11 has been in the works for a long time, doesn't matter how much relief AA/AE employees would have given in contract 30,000,000,000 worth of debt was still in the books. AMR would have taken on even more debt with the arriving aircraft order and older aircraft parked but paying leases for. We don't know what the future holds for us, but we know the training department is training full speed ahead (it's actually backed up), and they made changes and re-posted the flow plan but we have put a freeze to hiring for the time being (hover long that might be)

+1 .... Very well written; I was hoping someone say something in favour of the ATR.
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Old 12-07-2011 | 09:34 AM
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I can't say where I got this because it will be easy for that person to get in trouble but.

I received a text this morning.

JetBlue is moving in to DFW. Alll ATR will be grounded. Basically do away with EX. All employees will have a choice to move to AE or lose job. Grounding all 135s
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Old 12-07-2011 | 09:36 AM
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Yes. There will be a replacement. That replacement will be Colgan airlines. You guys need to stop drinking that kool-aid. AMR had mention many times they are not interested in getting new ATRs, pre-post-BK.
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Old 12-07-2011 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen
I can't say where I got this because it will be easy for that person to get in trouble but.

I received a text this morning.

JetBlue is moving in to DFW. Alll ATR will be grounded. Basically do away with EX. All employees will have a choice to move to AE or lose job. Grounding all 135s
Sure, they will tell this to a low life line pilot.
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