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01-19-2012, 01:35 PM
#4921
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I read in another thread that one of United's regionals was reactivating or getting back some EMB 135s. That seems counter intuitive to all the discussion of RJs lately but could it be the start of a new trend in the industry?
If Eagle is to keep all of our EMBs in spite of all the discussion otherwise it may signal the reversal of some planned removal of smaller jets..
If Eagle is to keep all of our EMBs in spite of all the discussion otherwise it may signal the reversal of some planned removal of smaller jets..
01-19-2012, 06:17 PM
#4922
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Well if American plans on keeping most of it's fleet then the Eagle flow through may start back up again at a point sooner than expected. The 300 or so pilots that retired early were not expected to cause a significant pilot shortage because parking or getting rid of aircraft under chap 11 would have absorbed the effect of that pilot shortage. Also, American is reported to have a higher pilot density per aircraft than other legacy carriers which was also expected to negate the effect of a pilot shortage. Apparently, that's part of the APA contract.
So just wondering how soon the Eagle flow throughs will resume. I would guess sometime within the next year but probably sooner.
All speculation on my part of course. I don't mind throwing in a bit of optimism to the discussion but a grain of salt is need with that as well...
So just wondering how soon the Eagle flow throughs will resume. I would guess sometime within the next year but probably sooner.
All speculation on my part of course. I don't mind throwing in a bit of optimism to the discussion but a grain of salt is need with that as well...
I doubt very soon at all. Some aircraft will be parked, that's for sure..and don't forget, even before bankruptcy there was a replacement schedule for the new orders...that will be a SMALLER fleet than what they have now (when it's all said and done).
On top of that, the APA contract will be gutted to the point where they will require far fewer crews to staff the now slightly smaller AA. AA pilots are by far the most unproductive pilot group in the nation....that will change.
01-19-2012, 06:19 PM
#4923
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01-19-2012, 06:53 PM
#4924
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I doubt very soon at all. Some aircraft will be parked, that's for sure..and don't forget, even before bankruptcy there was a replacement schedule for the new orders...that will be a SMALLER fleet than what they have now (when it's all said and done).
On top of that, the APA contract will be gutted to the point where they will require far fewer crews to staff the now slightly smaller AA. AA pilots are by far the most unproductive pilot group in the nation....that will change.
On top of that, the APA contract will be gutted to the point where they will require far fewer crews to staff the now slightly smaller AA. AA pilots are by far the most unproductive pilot group in the nation....that will change.
01-20-2012, 04:53 AM
#4925
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As scope is whittled, there will be more RJ's for former mainline hopefuls to retire on.
01-20-2012, 10:07 AM
#4926
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I think AMR is going to have to present a very good case to make any significant changes to the contracts. Of course anything could happen....
01-20-2012, 03:35 PM
#4927
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Believe it or not, I have a friend in the AMR upper management team and here's the skinny:
1. Bust the AA scope clause.
2. Spin off Eagle.
3. Create a permanent B scale for ex-Eagle flows (retroactively) and all new hires.
4. Bid out feeder flying for 90-125 seat jets (up to 100). The Eagle spin off will get a 2.5-3.5% price preference.
5. AA will consist of 737, 777, 787, A320 and A330 types by 2020.
6. All Eagle aircraft under 70 seats (as currently configured) will be sold, sent back to lessors, or parked as of the spin off or by 2014 latest.
So, that's the skinny.
1. Bust the AA scope clause.
2. Spin off Eagle.
3. Create a permanent B scale for ex-Eagle flows (retroactively) and all new hires.
4. Bid out feeder flying for 90-125 seat jets (up to 100). The Eagle spin off will get a 2.5-3.5% price preference.
5. AA will consist of 737, 777, 787, A320 and A330 types by 2020.
6. All Eagle aircraft under 70 seats (as currently configured) will be sold, sent back to lessors, or parked as of the spin off or by 2014 latest.
So, that's the skinny.
01-20-2012, 05:29 PM
#4929
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Believe it or not, I have a friend in the AMR upper management team and here's the skinny:
1. Bust the AA scope clause.
2. Spin off Eagle.
3. Create a permanent B scale for ex-Eagle flows (retroactively) and all new hires.
4. Bid out feeder flying for 90-125 seat jets (up to 100). The Eagle spin off will get a 2.5-3.5% price preference.
5. AA will consist of 737, 777, 787, A320 and A330 types by 2020.
6. All Eagle aircraft under 70 seats (as currently configured) will be sold, sent back to lessors, or parked as of the spin off or by 2014 latest.
So, that's the skinny.
1. Bust the AA scope clause.
2. Spin off Eagle.
3. Create a permanent B scale for ex-Eagle flows (retroactively) and all new hires.
4. Bid out feeder flying for 90-125 seat jets (up to 100). The Eagle spin off will get a 2.5-3.5% price preference.
5. AA will consist of 737, 777, 787, A320 and A330 types by 2020.
6. All Eagle aircraft under 70 seats (as currently configured) will be sold, sent back to lessors, or parked as of the spin off or by 2014 latest.
So, that's the skinny.
01-20-2012, 06:54 PM
#4930
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