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bluefrog 09-09-2010 04:14 AM

i heard Eagle just started ramping up hiring to 40-60 per month, wonder if the newly proposed fatigue rules have anything to do with it. just speculating

AtlCSIP 09-09-2010 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by bluefrog (Post 867789)
i heard Eagle just started ramping up hiring to 40-60 per month, wonder if the newly proposed fatigue rules have anything to do with it. just speculating

When I interviewed they said that part of the reason they were hiring was because of the new fatigue rules, which are going to have an effect on staffing levels.

bluefrog 09-09-2010 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 867797)
When I interviewed they said that part of the reason they were hiring was because of the new fatigue rules, which are going to have an effect on staffing levels.


Thanks for the confirmation, i was hoping for expasion plans or new a/c (dreaming) but this makes more sense.

f16jetmech 09-09-2010 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 867655)
Unlimited thanks to the former TWA and AA dudes I flew with that encouraged me to bail when I did. I really liked Eagle, the crews, the equipment and the bases... But Holy Cow 7 years was a long time to wait for the end of a contract and the unknown abyssal of negotiation. Not sure life is greener at any regional, however very grateful for the quality training that Eagle provided. I was never forced to fly a POS and never once saw a crews judgement questioned.

so than other than upgrade time... no complaints about eagle right? Why do people on eagle so much then? They treat employees right (well for a regional), take care of equipment, and pay is competitive.

AtlCSIP 09-09-2010 12:12 PM

Lack of career growth can really begin to weigh on you after a couple of years. I would bet that if the company allowed movement to another airframe, the long upgrade would be a little easier to handle. Another thing they could do is provide a PIC type out of initial training. That would allow some career growth despite the long upgrade time.

mwa1 09-09-2010 12:53 PM

the key words "for a regional" come to fore. lots of crap 'cuz it's only a regional. knew one guy celebrating his 10th anniversary at an exclusive restaurant - crew schedule calls (not reserve) and he answers. I know stupid thing to do but as an IOE ck airman he thinks it's OK. Long story short, no excuses you are being jm'd.
as far as the new FTDT - these will be in the form of an NPRM unless Congress enacts legislation bypassing the normal 1yr comment period. Even then there is a period of time for transition. The 1500 hr rule gets a 3 yr from date of enactment to compliance period.

mwa1 09-09-2010 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868022)
Lack of career growth can really begin to weigh on you after a couple of years. I would bet that if the company allowed movement to another airframe, the long upgrade would be a little easier to handle. Another thing they could do is provide a PIC type out of initial training. That would allow some career growth despite the long upgrade time.

Dirty little secret, half the list are FO's. Worse yet, time to CA numbers are bogus. Upgrades occur when the upper half leaves or if growth occurs - good luck with that happening. Worse yet, if the airline shrinks the bottom of the CA half gets to be the top of the FO half again - which is more likely the case at AE if the 135's are mothballed.

TOGA LK 09-09-2010 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 868043)
Dirty little secret, half the list are FO's. Worse yet, time to CA numbers are bogus. Upgrades occur when the upper half leaves or if growth occurs - good luck with that happening. Worse yet, if the airline shrinks the bottom of the CA half gets to be the top of the FO half again - which is more likely the case at AE if the 135's are mothballed.

At least they haven't cut the airline in half like Comair! Seriously, not such a great scene anywhere else. AA has a new SVP that is supposedly top notch and management now wants to work with the pilots. If the right deal is struck you may see considerable growth at AA and hundreds of 70 seat jets rolling onto the property. One never knows.

AtlCSIP 09-09-2010 06:25 PM

It is true that there are quite a few Captains at the top who are not going anywhere until they can't pass their medical or retire, which is an unknown percentage of approximately 600 pilots, if I remember the numbers correctly. This does mean that the remaining 800 Captains would have to move on relatively quickly (assuming no growth) for most of the FO's to have a shot at moving on. If, however, a PIC type rating was attainable out of initial training, it would help some pilots move on earlier as they could LOG PIC time anytime they were the Sole Manipulator of the flight controls, even though they aren't Acting as PIC. This logged PIC time would open doors up for some mid seniority pilots to move on sooner, which would result in movement for most of the FO's, and could actually result in a lower overall operating cost since the average FO salary would go down with the average FO seniority. Just a thought.

DeadStick 09-09-2010 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868276)
If, however, a PIC type rating was attainable out of initial training, it would help some pilots move on earlier as they could LOG PIC time anytime they were the Sole Manipulator of the flight controls, even though they aren't Acting as PIC. This logged PIC time would open doors up for some mid seniority pilots to move on sooner.

Have fun explaining that on an interview. ;)

onetogo 09-09-2010 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868276)
It is true that there are quite a few Captains at the top who are not going anywhere until they can't pass their medical or retire, which is an unknown percentage of approximately 600 pilots, if I remember the numbers correctly. This does mean that the remaining 800 Captains would have to move on relatively quickly (assuming no growth) for most of the FO's to have a shot at moving on. If, however, a PIC type rating was attainable out of initial training, it would help some pilots move on earlier as they could LOG PIC time anytime they were the Sole Manipulator of the flight controls, even though they aren't Acting as PIC. This logged PIC time would open doors up for some mid seniority pilots to move on sooner, which would result in movement for most of the FO's, and could actually result in a lower overall operating cost since the average FO salary would go down with the average FO seniority. Just a thought.

Not to sound rude, but the fact that you are even suggesting this makes it clear that you have a lot to learn about Eagle, and the regional industry as a whole.

I think I read that you are hoping to start class here eventually. Why don't you revisit that question once you get out on the line...

Flyby1206 09-10-2010 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868276)
If, however, a PIC type rating was attainable out of initial training, it would help some pilots move on earlier as they could LOG PIC time anytime they were the Sole Manipulator of the flight controls, even though they aren't Acting as PIC.

In the Part 121 world it isnt acceptable to log PIC time when you arent truly acting as PIC. The PIC signs a flight release for each flight, and this is when you can log Part 121 PIC. I know the regs are hazy, and lots of corp/part 135 guys do it differently, but trust me. You dont want to go logging time in the right seat of an airliner as PIC time even if you do have a type rating.

PilotJ3 09-10-2010 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by andy171773 (Post 866739)
ATR is an awesome airplane..and the island flying is second to none.

The problems with Eagle's island flying is the 9 hour over nights..pretty much everywhere you go.it's only 9 hours. Not so much fun :(

But the views..oh my!


I don't fly on eagle, but...hey!!! Flying in the caribbean wonderful. =) I teach in a flight school in SIG, like 5nm from SJU...and I hope to get ATR in SJU if I get hired by eagle. :) If not is ok... I'll go anywhere :)

ERJF15 09-10-2010 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868276)
If, however, a PIC type rating was attainable out of initial training, it would help some pilots move on earlier as they could LOG PIC time anytime they were the Sole Manipulator of the flight controls, even though they aren't Acting as PIC. This logged PIC time would open doors up for some mid seniority pilots to move on sooner, which would result in movement for most of the FO's, and could actually result in a lower overall operating cost since the average FO salary would go down with the average FO seniority. Just a thought.


WOW? Seriously?

withthatsaid182 09-10-2010 07:41 AM

What happened to SABRE on jetnet?! :confused:

ERJF15 09-10-2010 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 868513)
What happened to SABRE on jetnet?! :confused:

It's down...

onetogo 09-10-2010 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 868513)
What happened to SABRE on jetnet?! :confused:

Gone for me too.

AtlCSIP 09-10-2010 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 868354)
Not to sound rude, but the fact that you are even suggesting this makes it clear that you have a lot to learn about Eagle, and the regional industry as a whole.

I think I read that you are hoping to start class here eventually. Why don't you revisit that question once you get out on the line...

You don't sound rude, just short sighted and possibly ignorant. Last time I checked, the aviation industry wasn't made up entirely of American Eagle pilots, or even just regional airline pilots. My comment said that a PIC type could provide opportunities in the future. These opportunities could be international, Part 91 corporate or private, or Part 135. How many guys do you know who would choose to move out of Part 121 flying to fly a small jet or turbo prop for 50k - 80k a year, be home 90% of the time, and never have to worry about Crew Scheduling calling at 5:00 am? I bet quite a few pilots would be interested, and those opportunities could be possible with enough logged PIC time. Of course you could not say that you were the PIC under Part 121 operations, and I never insinuated that. Open your eyes, man. There is whole big aviation world outside of Regional Part 121, and some people might just go there after Eagle!

As far as what to say in an interview; always tell the truth. That way you don't have to keep track of what you said.

gearcrankr 09-10-2010 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868692)
You don't sound rude, just short sighted and possibly ignorant. Last time I checked, the aviation industry wasn't made up entirely of American Eagle pilots, or even just regional airline pilots. My comment said that a PIC type could provide opportunities in the future. These opportunities could be international, Part 91 corporate or private, or Part 135. How many guys do you know who would choose to move out of Part 121 flying to fly a small jet or turbo prop for 50k - 80k a year, be home 90% of the time, and never have to worry about Crew Scheduling calling at 5:00 am? I bet quite a few pilots would be interested, and those opportunities could be possible with enough logged PIC time. Of course you could not say that you were the PIC under Part 121 operations, and I never insinuated that. Open your eyes, man. There is whole big aviation world outside of Regional Part 121, and some people might just go there after Eagle!



As far as what to say in an interview; always tell the truth. That way you don't have to keep track of what you said.

Please read post 173 written by Flyby1206. Logging PIC when acting as SIC will get you no life after Eagle. Thanks for interview tip-- part of being truthful is what you enter in your logbook.

Flyby1206 09-10-2010 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 868692)
There is whole big aviation world outside of Regional Part 121, and some people might just go there after Eagle!

I definitely agree there is a lot to aviation outside the 121 world, and outside the USA in general. Considering the most common RJ type ratings (ERJ-145, CRJ), there aren't many jobs in or out of the USA that will hire you with only one of those type ratings and no PIC time in type.

AtlCSIP 09-10-2010 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 868771)
I definitely agree there is a lot to aviation outside the 121 world, and outside the USA in general. Considering the most common RJ type ratings (ERJ-145, CRJ), there aren't many jobs in or out of the USA that will hire you with only one of those type ratings and no PIC time in type.

While that is true for that particular type, a PIC type rating will open doors for you in private, corporate and Part 135 operations, as well as fractionals, albeit not on the type you are rated for. It makes the insurance companies look favorably upon you from an insurability standpoint, as well as providing some assurance to the owner, chief pilot, etc... looking to hire you that you will successfully complete training. I just spent a couple of hours with the insurance broker for the charter company I have flown for over the past few years who confirmed exactly what I'm saying.

XForces 09-10-2010 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by XForces (Post 867751)
For those of you that have spent time on reserve at Eagle, I was wondering about the two hour call out.

How often do you get the call with only two hours to show? Do you more often know ahead of time that a call might be coming your way, or will scheduling sometime call you for a trip well in advance of the actual trip time (i.e. greater then two hours)?


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 867778)
1.Every day of reserve.
2.Yes
3.Sometimes.

So wait, you can expect to get called out EVERY day on reserve with a two hours show? Really?

onetogo 09-11-2010 12:11 AM

ATL, I wasn't saying that the PIC type was a bad idea. I actually like the idea. My comment was more-so in terms of how no regional would actually do that for the FO's. Why? Because like you said, they would get the type and run with it. Thats also the reason why they won't give FO's an ATP with the SIC type. It's essentially the same ride, but they won't give an ATP (maybe a few exceptions, but Eagle won't) and they would never even consider giving a full PIC type.

AtlCSIP 09-11-2010 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 868977)
ATL, I wasn't saying that the PIC type was a bad idea. I actually like the idea. My comment was more-so in terms of how no regional would actually do that for the FO's. Why? Because like you said, they would get the type and run with it. Thats also the reason why they won't give FO's an ATP with the SIC type. It's essentially the same ride, but they won't give an ATP (maybe a few exceptions, but Eagle won't) and they would never even consider giving a full PIC type.


I know they would never do it, but I still think it would be good for the industry as a whole, though.

Blue Skies!

TXav8r13 09-11-2010 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by XForces (Post 868946)
So wait, you can expect to get called out EVERY day on reserve with a two hours show? Really?

If you are low on the list than yes. When you get going up the list than you will have some days at home. All depends on weather, weekday vs. weekend, holidays. You could proffer for a trip that starts late if you don't want to get a call at 4:01 am.

onetogo 09-11-2010 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 869058)
I know they would never do it, but I still think it would be good for the industry as a whole, though.

Blue Skies!

Cheers to that. Best of luck getting the call and the equipment you desire.

121isnofun 09-11-2010 03:52 PM

AMR going Chapter 11?
 
That's the latest rumor and apparently it has legs. A quick read of their most recent SEC filings may serve as proof. Question is what would EGF's future look like following a reorganization?

Flyby1206 09-11-2010 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by 121isnofun (Post 869261)
That's the latest rumor and apparently it has legs. A quick read of their most recent SEC filings may serve as proof. Question is what would EGF's future look like following a reorganization?

Shenanigans. What SEC filings show imminent BK for AMR?

AtlCSIP 09-12-2010 08:57 AM

What is the longest ATR flight out of San Juan?

TXav8r13 09-12-2010 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 869487)
What is the longest ATR flight out of San Juan?

Just from looking at the bid packet from this month.
BGI-SJU 0810-1030 220

bailee atr 09-12-2010 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 869487)
What is the longest ATR flight out of San Juan?

POS at block of 2:35 min. It's a turn now, leaves at 1115 gets in at 1350. AA4885.

bailee atr 09-12-2010 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 869487)
What is the longest ATR flight out of San Juan?

POS at block of 2:35 min. It's a turn now, leaves at 1115 gets in at 1350. AA4885.

AtlCSIP 09-12-2010 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by bailee atr (Post 869532)
POS at block of 2:35 min. It's a turn now, leaves at 1115 gets in at 1350. AA4885.

Thanks. When I saw POS, I thought you might be joking! Had to look it up.

Is Aruba the longest over open water?

tmtbiker 09-12-2010 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 869537)
Thanks. When I saw POS, I thought you might be joking! Had to look it up.

Is Aruba the longest over open water?

we dont do the extended overwaters currently, took the rafts out

bailee atr 09-12-2010 11:49 AM

sorry it posted twice.

bailee atr 09-12-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by bailee atr (Post 869551)
sorry it posted twice.


Originally Posted by tmtbiker (Post 869549)
we dont do the extended overwaters currently, took the rafts out

True, but we still do partially extended over water ops with life jackets only. POS is one of those routes, it would suck to go over the entire island chain just to get to POS. I think the long route is blocked at 3hrs and 15min.:eek:

XForces 09-12-2010 01:13 PM

Anyone know what the CRJ destinations are out of LGA?


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