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bailee atr 10-03-2010 09:33 AM

I have a question on the new MIA EMB base. If they ever open a MIA emb base and I am a NCC can I bid MCE. I know you cant bid back to lower paying equipment, but does this constitue a newbase and equipment provision provided for in the contract. Or do you need both new base and new equipment which was the companies position with FO trying to switch from EMB to the NFC positions.

mwa1 10-03-2010 11:09 AM

don't be surprised if the new MIA jet base is not AEA

mrmak2 10-03-2010 04:11 PM

What is AEA?

TXav8r13 10-03-2010 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 879753)
What is AEA?

American Eagle Airlines

mrmak2 10-03-2010 07:24 PM

What airline will it be then?

mwa1 10-04-2010 04:48 AM

whoever has planes in the 50 seat range and can free them up

mrmak2 10-04-2010 11:15 AM

I don't forsee that as a realistic option. The ord airplanes already fly through Mia. That theory was tried with trans states and now it's back to eagle so I do not see there being a cost advantage for American enough to justify the operational disruptions of bringing in a separate airline.

atp409 10-04-2010 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by bailee atr (Post 879641)
I have a question on the new MIA EMB base. If they ever open a MIA emb base and I am a NCC can I bid MCE. I know you cant bid back to lower paying equipment, but does this constitue a newbase and equipment provision provided for in the contract. Or do you need both new base and new equipment which was the companies position with FO trying to switch from EMB to the NFC positions.

JFK EMB Fo's were not allowed to bid JFK CRJ FO even though it was new equipment in an existing base. I think ALPA is investigating. I think the company said you can't bid to a lateral pay grade. Captains were allowed to bid it because it pays more in the left seat.

mwa1 10-04-2010 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 880058)
I don't forsee that as a realistic option. The ord airplanes already fly through Mia. That theory was tried with trans states and now it's back to eagle so I do not see there being a cost advantage for American enough to justify the operational disruptions of bringing in a separate airline.


if eagle doesn't have the airframes what option do they have?

lavMan 10-05-2010 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 880206)
if eagle doesn't have the airframes what option do they have?

I've heard they overnight and run up to 14 planes in MIA? Don't know the truth to this, but if it's been this way for a while, I guess they've been making it work?

ERJF15 10-05-2010 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 880206)
if eagle doesn't have the airframes what option do they have?


Who says we don't have the airframes? Have you seen our ops in Miami?

mrmak2 10-05-2010 03:24 PM

Supposedly the "big announcement" alluded to in an earlier post will be tomorrow. No idea what it is but tomorrow is the day.

withthatsaid182 10-06-2010 05:02 AM

The big announcement thus far has been the recall of 250 AA pilots.

Very good news indeed.

How exactly will this work now for the flow thru's?

Even though this won't open the flood gates at eagle, it may continue hiring at a solid pace and provide some movement for the folks that have been floating for the past couple of years.

bluefrog 10-06-2010 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 880701)
The big announcement thus far has been the recall of 250 AA pilots.

Very good news indeed.

How exactly will this work now for the flow thru's?

Even though this won't open the flood gates at eagle, it may continue hiring at a solid pace and provide some movement for the folks that have been floating for the past couple of years.

the 80 feb 2010 aa pilots will be recalled then aa pilots and ae pilots in seniority order, i believe there will be quite a few ae captains flowing over starting around febuary, not sure on the exact numbers for the ae flow thrus this affects, good news though

bailee atr 10-06-2010 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by bluefrog (Post 880722)
the 80 feb 2010 aa pilots will be recalled then aa pilots and ae pilots in seniority order, i believe there will be quite a few ae captains flowing over starting around febuary, not sure on the exact numbers for the ae flow thrus this affects, good news though

80 AA furloughs from Feb 2010, then 214 AE flow throughs from the greivance award and then the rest of AA furloughs and AE flow throughs in seniority. So their should be good movement here at AE..... for now.;)

withthatsaid182 10-08-2010 07:09 AM

Let's hope they don't park the 135s now.

That would null and void any movement.

Can anyone else in go into RES and confirm that all eagle flights...EMB included are now showing a first class option in the computer? A gate agent showed me that last week and said it was the first time they've ever seen that.

mwa1 10-08-2010 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by bailee atr (Post 880737)
80 AA furloughs from Feb 2010, then 214 AE flow throughs from the greivance award and then the rest of AA furloughs and AE flow throughs in seniority. So their should be good movement here at AE..... for now.;)

less the 35 that went - 179 and any undefferals from the original recall - over 700 could take a class after the Feb furloughs. that number was 102 not 80

bailee atr 10-09-2010 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 881957)
less the 35 that went - 179 and any undefferals from the original recall - over 700 could take a class after the Feb furloughs. that number was 102 not 80

I stand corrected.;)

mwa1 10-09-2010 06:59 PM

I had to research it myself, several sets of numbers are being bandied about. Spoke with an interviewee for the training dept. at ae. they are clueless on how to prepare for this since they cannot tell when the FT's will start.

Royer 10-10-2010 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 882523)
I had to research it myself, several sets of numbers are being bandied about. Spoke with an interviewee for the training dept. at ae. they are clueless on how to prepare for this since they cannot tell when the FT's will start.

Ask your interview buddy how full the newhire classes are. I heard they want 30 per class, but can only get 12 or 13.

Spoilers 10-10-2010 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by Royer (Post 882598)
Ask your interview buddy how full the newhire classes are. I heard they want 30 per class, but can only get 12 or 13.

Maybe if they would stop sending home so many pilots during the interview, they would actually fill the classes:rolleyes:

RJ Pilot 10-10-2010 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 882612)
Maybe if they would stop sending home so many pilots during the interview, they would actually fill the classes:rolleyes:

Keep sending home those that cant make the cut. Or you rather fly with kids like TM?

Spoilers 10-10-2010 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 882615)
Keep sending home those that cant make the cut. Or you rather fly with kids like TM?

I don't work at Eagle. I interviewed at Eagle half a year ago and was one of the many that got send home since then. I know several good pilots and people that "didn't make the cut".

RJ Pilot 10-10-2010 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 882617)
I don't work at Eagle. I interviewed at Eagle half a year ago and was one of the many that got send home since then. I know several good pilots and people that "didn't make the cut".

There is more than being a "good pilot" and "good people" that determines if you get hired or not.

Spoilers 10-10-2010 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 882620)
There is more than being a "good pilot" and "good people" that determines if you get hired or not.

Yes, I understand. I'll leave it at that.

mwa1 10-10-2010 01:15 PM

my interviewee friend was going in as a sim instructor and said that the training dept cannot cope with the impending ft crisis without hard numbers. ie they do not know when the ft's start either. not sure about the class numbers though.

amcflyboy 10-10-2010 04:06 PM

Ok, so I was reading at the my pilot career website about A.E., and there was a comment about how the first thing they did at a recent interview session was ask, "Anybody in here fail a checkride? Ok, get out!" Is this true? Is that how they initially weed people out?

AtlCSIP 10-10-2010 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by amcflyboy (Post 882840)
Ok, so I was reading at the my pilot career website about A.E., and there was a comment about how the first thing they did at a recent interview session was ask, "Anybody in here fail a checkride? Ok, get out!" Is this true? Is that how they initially weed people out?

Definately not true. I had a bust in my past and got hired at Eagle, although I didn't take it. I had a very positive interview experience at Eagle.

AmericanEagleFO 10-10-2010 07:45 PM

These things will cause you to not get hired.
3 failed checkrides
2 of the same checkride failures
DUI
Lying on your app

amcflyboy 10-11-2010 12:39 AM

Great, thanks for the information. I'm on my way to DFW for an interview.

atp409 10-11-2010 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 882617)
I don't work at Eagle. I interviewed at Eagle half a year ago and was one of the many that got send home since then. I know several good pilots and people that "didn't make the cut".

HR does some weird stuff sometimes. I recommended my college roommate of 3 years about 6 years ago. He breezed through the interview, but was rejected by the "Captain's Board." He went on to bigger and better things, but this was an honest, smart pilot and a great guy. If you get rejected by Eagle, don't take it personally, sometimes it just doesn't work out the way it should have.

swaayze 10-11-2010 06:33 AM

Eagle is adding instructors immediately, and apparently plans for a few more as replacements when/if the FTs who are instructors go to AA. Rumor from a trusted source who should know is that hiring will increase about 50% from 30/mo soon.

samstanton 10-12-2010 05:52 AM

Hello,

I’m a current applicant looking for information from any AE guys reading. How long would it take to get based in LAX after being hired? I would happily take any equipment to get back to the west coast.

Thanks in advance.
Sam

swaayze 10-12-2010 06:20 AM

The bid that just closed had the junior LAX FO award as hired 8/07.

samstanton 10-12-2010 09:48 AM

Hey swaayze.

Thank you very much for the info!

sam


Originally Posted by swaayze (Post 883531)
The bid that just closed had the junior LAX FO award as hired 8/07.


atp409 10-12-2010 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by samstanton (Post 883524)
Hello,

I’m a current applicant looking for information from any AE guys reading. How long would it take to get based in LAX after being hired? I would happily take any equipment to get back to the west coast.

Thanks in advance.
Sam

Yup, probably 3 years to hold LAX. There isn't a whole lot of movement in the base. Most FO's towards the top of the LAX list could upgrade but choose not to. I'm in my 7th year and would barely be halfway up the FO list.

eaglefly 10-12-2010 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by amcflyboy (Post 882840)
Ok, so I was reading at the my pilot career website about A.E., and there was a comment about how the first thing they did at a recent interview session was ask, "Anybody in here fail a checkride? Ok, get out!" Is this true? Is that how they initially weed people out?

This is ridiculous. Someone has been pulling your leg..................

shfo 10-12-2010 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by atp409 (Post 883658)
Yup, probably 3 years to hold LAX. There isn't a whole lot of movement in the base. Most FO's towards the top of the LAX list could upgrade but choose not to. I'm in my 7th year and would barely be halfway up the FO list.


There are only 44 FOs in LA. The 24th from the top just got awarded a captain slot in LGA. He was hired in mid 2001. Four others have also been awarded CA slots so there is a little movement coming but not much. Supposedly the LA base will increase in size by 40% in the near future so it might not take as long as it has previously to hold LA.

DON*T HATE ERAU 10-12-2010 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by shfo (Post 883750)
There are only 44 FOs in LA. The 24th from the top just got awarded a captain slot in LGA. He was hired in mid 2001. Four others have also been awarded CA slots so there is a little movement coming but not much. Supposedly the LA base will increase in size by 40% in the near future so it might not take as long as it has previously to hold LA.

Where have you heard this??? I know American getting awared Shanghai from LAX might bring some flying but 40% more flying?? I hope so.

mwa1 10-12-2010 05:17 PM

with the new LAX Shanghai route happening in APR they will need feed their.


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