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06-19-2012, 06:41 PM
#5821
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 424
You don't have to flat out accept it either. You have pro-standards. Thing is, a big part of being a good FO, is learning to be a chameleon. Know your stuff, do a good job, and realize there is a big difference between technique, and procedure.
Just because the other guy, or gal might not do it the way you would, doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. As painful as it may be, some of the stories you hear may be good. You might even learn some useful information, no matter what seat you are sitting in.
The pilots you fly with may not have your experiences, but you might be able to learn from them. I make it a priority take something away from every flight, and every one I fly with, Good or bad.
Just because the other guy, or gal might not do it the way you would, doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. As painful as it may be, some of the stories you hear may be good. You might even learn some useful information, no matter what seat you are sitting in.
The pilots you fly with may not have your experiences, but you might be able to learn from them. I make it a priority take something away from every flight, and every one I fly with, Good or bad.
Very wise statement. And one that should be followed. I always respect the position, if not the person. It certainly is a learning experience
06-19-2012, 06:47 PM
#5822
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
A lot of it has having the "FO-dar." How the guy in the left seat acts often dictates how I will. He relaxed and likes to chit chat? Cool, I'm game. Guy who does it by the book? I will do it word for word by the book. Micro-manger? I'm cool being Pilot-Monitoring the entire sequence, I like talking on the radios. The-former-instructor? I'll grasp at every word you say wide eyed and notebook and pen in hand. Former marine, it's-my-*******-aircraft-I'll-do-what-ever-I-want-this-is-my-side-that -is-your-side-understood? You will hear nothing but "check list complete" and I will watch the ground (or clouds) go by.
About the only thing I will put a stop to is political talk. I don't care which side they are for or what ever. Politics in the cockpit is a no-no for me. If I sense it is going that way, I will try to chime in "Yeah, I really hate poltics from either side of the aisle. " I'll nod and listen but you won't even get a "yeah" or "Oh really?" from me. Hopefully they will get a hint after their rant is over.
06-19-2012, 07:00 PM
#5823
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: HUD cripple.
Posts: 313
...Cross the threshhold at 50ft, Vref, go to idle power and crash land on the 1000' mark, as per AOM Vol 1, and then file an ASAP report for going below glideslope, and then write the plane up for a hard landing. Thats pretty much par for the course with a DFW CA. I'm with you Wingtips
06-19-2012, 07:23 PM
#5824
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
You don't have to flat out accept it either. You have pro-standards. Thing is, a big part of being a good FO, is learning to be a chameleon. Know your stuff, do a good job, and realize there is a big difference between technique, and procedure.
Just because the other guy, or gal might not do it the way you would, doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. As painful as it may be, some of the stories you hear may be good. You might even learn some useful information, no matter what seat you are sitting in.
The pilots you fly with may not have your experiences, but you might be able to learn from them. I make it a priority take something away from every flight, and every one I fly with, Good or bad.
Just because the other guy, or gal might not do it the way you would, doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. As painful as it may be, some of the stories you hear may be good. You might even learn some useful information, no matter what seat you are sitting in.
The pilots you fly with may not have your experiences, but you might be able to learn from them. I make it a priority take something away from every flight, and every one I fly with, Good or bad.
I dont question this, but the guy who is doing 200 kt out of CLT, and you try all creative ways to say do you want 250kts set, and then when you finally have to be like hey the departure requires 250 kts and then they get ****y sucks. Or the guy who starts 2 engines at the gate (and makes it clear they are doing it to waist money, like i dont pay for gas lets burn it) when its clearly a 30 minute taxi, ie metering in ORD already known, and the company manual says start 1 to save gas. That stuff gets old. Or when told to expedite your climb and your climbing under what the company recommends for normal ops, and they say something stupid like hey whats the manual say for this climb (ie your trying to get up higher for atc, and they want you to be going faster because the manual recommends it). That stuff gets old fast, esp when its against the manual and intentionally to screw the company, like guys flying .65 because they are on OT.
06-19-2012, 07:25 PM
#5825
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 739
1. I am not a mainstream Republican.
2. I dont get whats so exciting about Texas.
3.I am not scared 24/7 that we are about to get violated, have to double check half the radio calls, or get worried and just check in just in case when told to monitor a frequency.
4. I enjoy a little bit of chat during a flight.
5. I think its rude when giving the plane to a crew at an out station to write something up, when its a 30 minute turn, esp something small, like static in the headset jack. I am sure they loved waiting 3 hours for MX to drive in from their house at 7pm on a Sunday night.
2. I dont get whats so exciting about Texas.
3.I am not scared 24/7 that we are about to get violated, have to double check half the radio calls, or get worried and just check in just in case when told to monitor a frequency.
4. I enjoy a little bit of chat during a flight.
5. I think its rude when giving the plane to a crew at an out station to write something up, when its a 30 minute turn, esp something small, like static in the headset jack. I am sure they loved waiting 3 hours for MX to drive in from their house at 7pm on a Sunday night.
06-19-2012, 07:55 PM
#5827
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: B737
Posts: 347
So today we had pilots who had started the transition training from the ATR to the jets told to pack their bags because they are going back to the ATR due to short staffing, not to mention that ORD CRJ has been running out of reserves for the last 4 days the day before, ha ha
06-20-2012, 01:43 AM
#5828
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 1st year pay for the 3rd time
Posts: 1,434
So today we had pilots who had started the transition training from the ATR to the jets told to pack their bags because they are going back to the ATR due to short staffing, not to mention that ORD CRJ has been running out of reserves for the last 4 days the day before, ha ha
06-20-2012, 04:35 AM
#5829
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 424
You must be DFW-based. I generally prefer to use piloting skills to bring the plane gently back to earth while still staying on centerline in the touchdown zone at a reasonable speed.
06-20-2012, 06:55 AM
#5830
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
when I did my observation ride it was in DFW and the FO was kind of new, like 6 months on the line, and the captain took the airplane in 15mph guest 20mph head on, because the FO was 5 knots over REF, going into DFW at 200 feet. I just dont get it. Its dont get slow, and dont get super fast in my book, unless its keywest 5 knots are not going to kill anyone on a 12,000ft runway.
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