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Old 07-27-2010 | 12:48 PM
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GLA... They can only go up from where pay is now
HAHA! You sir, just made my day! I do feel a little bad for all the guys at Great Lakes...but I guess they chose to work there.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by goaround2000
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From what I know of your background you were at Skywest before you went to Lagos. Neither outfit have a union to my knowledge, so I won't hold against you the fact that you don't seem to understand that we as pilots get paid what we negotiate in our contracts.

Another part of my experience was local union president. Thanks for the info.

Edit for tiny bragging rights: twice voted in local union president, and once voted to SAPA at SkyWest (I won by one vote).
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Old 07-27-2010 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by flaps 9
Funny cause I made a bet with guys in my newhire class at Trans States back in 1999 that by the time we retire, 2030 in my case, we will see Single Pilot Airliners...
Sounds like a good idea...until the pilot has a heart attack and dies somewhere over the Atlantic en route to the US from Amsterdam, but come on...what are the chances of that happening? I mean, that would never happen, right??? Oh wait, crap.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Another part of my experience was local union president. Thanks for the info.
Well you sure don't post like it brother.

Fly safe,

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Old 07-27-2010 | 12:54 PM
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I'm not advocating those positions. I'm stating them as (my view) of fact. Yes, they should be paid more. That's obvious. But thinking some regional will "step up" and hand over more money.... ain't gunna happen.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by willwestwalk
Who is going to be the first Regional Airline to sign a real contract...
Most likely the next airline to lose their partner contracts. Cheap is in - especially when you're a subcontractor. Don't ever forget that you don't actually work for the livery on your tail.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by willwestwalk
Who is going to be the first Regional Airline to sign a real contract with real pay now that more than 50% of all domestic flying is not done by the majors anymore? Will the regionals keep comparing each others contract and pay or will one of them man up and demand A LOT more money or else let the airline fold?
Air Canada JAZZ pilots. They have and continue to be the leaders in pay overall in North America.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Master
I bet you're right. They'll get as many cheap pilots as they can, because once 1500 takes effect, they will have a tough time filling up classes and pay has got to start increasing.
I don't see why 1500hrs is much of an issue. I was right around 2,000hrs or so when I was hired and wasn't abnormal at all. Given that no one has hired for a few years I'm betting there are a lot of 1500hr+ guys out there.

My opinion, this law won't change anything in the near term and only add 6-12 months on the long term.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by willwestwalk
Who is going to be the first Regional Airline to sign a real contract with real pay now that more than 50% of all domestic flying is not done by the majors anymore? Will the regionals keep comparing each others contract and pay or will one of them man up and demand A LOT more money or else let the airline fold?
What if management said, "fine, we'll raise all FO pay by 50%." What are the chances of our union saying, "we will not accept the FO raises unless you can do the same for the Capt rates."

It's happened in the past with regards to management wanted to give sign on bonuses to new hires.
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Old 07-27-2010 | 03:32 PM
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Default 1500 hour rule...

I'm not so sure the 1500 hour rule is going to change much of anything. Two days ago, I spoke to the director of the "fast track", 300-hour wonder school I went to. He told me that as is stands now with the information that's out there, he'll still be able to operate as a 300-hour program. I suspect the hacks in DC will put in some exclusions and waivers that will knock a lot of teeth out of the rule. But hey, who knows for sure, right?

Originally Posted by Outlaw2097
I bet we see panic hiring before the 1500 increase prior to any bump in pay...
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