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Old 07-27-2010 | 11:14 PM
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Sounds like a good idea...until the pilot has a heart attack and dies somewhere over the Atlantic en route to the US from Amsterdam, but come on...what are the chances of that happening? I mean, that would never happen, right??? Oh wait, crap.
I'm sure your Dispatcher will take over from the "Comand" center and save the day
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Old 07-28-2010 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
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Equals status quo.

Nationwide / International "regionals" will keep getting bigger, gobbling up little(r) airlines along the way, and displacing high(er) paying airline jobs, planes will keep creeping up in size toward 100 seats or more, and there will continue to be an endless oversupply of "I'm not in it for the money". Overall, your wish will come true.
The only way the regionals get bigger is if the majors allow them to. Regional flying is contract work. The employees at majors need to demand a stop to the rising contract work in all areas not just the pilots. When the contract work stops, the pay will go up.

It may seem useless to fight for what is right, but without a fight nothing is accomplished.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 04:02 AM
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I think most of you forgot that Comair already did this. The only catch was no one else had the balls to do the same, instead they lowered the bar even further. End result, we had to take pay cut after pay cut to be in line with all the other regionals.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
I think most of you forgot that Comair already did this. The only catch was no one else had the balls to do the same, instead they lowered the bar even further.
Horizon Air pilots has not given it back and have paid a high price for it.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
I am surprised regionals don't start pay for training again. If I owned a regional I would make both captains and FO's pay for a job. I bet I could get at least 20k from FO's and maybe 10 or 15k from captains. I guarantee would have a stack of resumes on my desk the first day. "Gotta pay those dues right"? "Build that turbine PIC. It will open doors"?
You sir, need to seriously stop shortchanging yourself. You can easily fetch 35-40,000 for captains.

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Old 07-28-2010 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
You sir, need to seriously stop shortchanging yourself. You can easily fetch 35-40,000 for captains.

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whoa! Who are these creeps!?
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Old 07-28-2010 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
whoa! Who are these creeps!?

It's been said on these forums many times about how things are different for the rest of the world.

When you apply to any US major airline (except maybe Southwest), you don't need a type rating or time in type. The rest of the world does.

But, the rest of the world doesn't care about 1000-1500 PIC turbine, either, just to get an FO job flying a bigger airplane.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by willwestwalk
When the contract work stops, the pay will go up.

It may seem useless to fight for what is right, but without a fight nothing is accomplished.

Ok. Check back with me in ten more years and let me know how it worked out.

Overall, another metric that won't change. The guy who is voting at that major airline for new work rules. Him/her taking a pay cut so that they can subsidize their own company pilots to fly a 50 - 100 seat jet (over the price currently paid at a contract airline).... not going to happen.

Promise of new, bigger jet will trump that every time.

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"I'm not in it for the money"

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Status quo

You're not fighting a company. Your in a battle with fellow pilots.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by willwestwalk
Who is going to be the first Regional Airline to sign a real contract with real pay now that more than 50% of all domestic flying is not done by the majors anymore? Will the regionals keep comparing each others contract and pay or will one of them man up and demand A LOT more money or else let the airline fold?
Just curious..
Could you provide a source for your statement? 50% done by regionals. I might be wrong, but I think you may mean 50% of mainline departures at a few of the mainline carriers.
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Old 07-28-2010 | 09:41 AM
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Crappy pay at regionals is the mainline pilots fault.

1. lather.
2. rinse.
3. repeat.
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