9E/XJ MOU status
08-04-2010 | 12:46 PM
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I have heard this from some non-pilot sources. So its more management sided then what the union is saying. It makes sense and I am just putting things together from union emails, local meetings, company conference calls and the such.
08-04-2010 | 01:02 PM
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That would be best for all of us. The only thing that worries me about 1 list now is that if it happens it will be 10 years before we get a contract.
It will take at least 1-2 years to get one seniority list going. Then once that happens new lec's will have to be created that cover all the bases between colgan, mesaba, and pinnacle. Thats another year. Then once that happens we get a new mec, negotiating commt, etc etc. Then once all of that happens we can then negotiate for one contract. By that time our contract will have been ammendable for 10 years. I dont think thats a stretch either.
It will take at least 1-2 years to get one seniority list going. Then once that happens new lec's will have to be created that cover all the bases between colgan, mesaba, and pinnacle. Thats another year. Then once that happens we get a new mec, negotiating commt, etc etc. Then once all of that happens we can then negotiate for one contract. By that time our contract will have been ammendable for 10 years. I dont think thats a stretch either.
I can just see it now with management saying we will give you one list one contract, if you give us X, Y, and Z
08-04-2010 | 01:14 PM
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I can spend hours giving "my take" on things but I will say this before any more shots across the bow occur.
SLI will be done at some point in the future. SLI is something that will factor in all 3 pilot groups. Before such an event contracts must be in place that pilots will work under.. Before any conclusions pop up here- Pinnacle (9E) is working to get a deal done. Once that's done, we can discuss the rest. Until that is done, don't expect to see much change because an SLI is needed before you can do any transfers. Without an SLI there is no way to figure out which pilots go with which planes as XJ gets split up. Just my $.02
SLI will be done at some point in the future. SLI is something that will factor in all 3 pilot groups. Before such an event contracts must be in place that pilots will work under.. Before any conclusions pop up here- Pinnacle (9E) is working to get a deal done. Once that's done, we can discuss the rest. Until that is done, don't expect to see much change because an SLI is needed before you can do any transfers. Without an SLI there is no way to figure out which pilots go with which planes as XJ gets split up. Just my $.02
08-04-2010 | 01:26 PM
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I can spend hours giving "my take" on things but I will say this before any more shots across the bow occur.
SLI will be done at some point in the future. SLI is something that will factor in all 3 pilot groups. Before such an event contracts must be in place that pilots will work under.. Before any conclusions pop up here- Pinnacle (9E) is working to get a deal done. Once that's done, we can discuss the rest. Until that is done, don't expect to see much change because an SLI is needed before you can do any transfers. Without an SLI there is no way to figure out which pilots go with which planes as XJ gets split up. Just my $.02
SLI will be done at some point in the future. SLI is something that will factor in all 3 pilot groups. Before such an event contracts must be in place that pilots will work under.. Before any conclusions pop up here- Pinnacle (9E) is working to get a deal done. Once that's done, we can discuss the rest. Until that is done, don't expect to see much change because an SLI is needed before you can do any transfers. Without an SLI there is no way to figure out which pilots go with which planes as XJ gets split up. Just my $.02
08-05-2010 | 12:27 PM
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i bet you that ASA and Express jet have a fully integrated list with the merger closed before we move 1 plane. right now we have 3 CRJ bases in MSP, 2 in DTW, 2 in MEM and that can't be cost effective for the company yet somehow i see this taking forever becuase of our pilot contract, i mean we don't even have negotiations scheduled! I like the stance the union is currently taking but we will see how motivated the company is to get the deal done.
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08-05-2010 | 02:16 PM
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Here is what I have been told.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
The problem you have without one list is that there is no scope preventing 9E from allowing mesaba to operate a certain number of 9E RJ's to gain leverage over the pilot group. They have done it before! If you think that management is going to hand you all of mesaba's jets on a silver platter without a huge amount of strings attached, I have a bridge to sell you.
08-05-2010 | 04:41 PM
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i bet you that ASA and Express jet have a fully integrated list with the merger closed before we move 1 plane. right now we have 3 CRJ bases in MSP, 2 in DTW, 2 in MEM and that can't be cost effective for the company yet somehow i see this taking forever becuase of our pilot contract, i mean we don't even have negotiations scheduled! I like the stance the union is currently taking but we will see how motivated the company is to get the deal done.
Too late. We've already moved one plane, just not the way they said. N825AY was moved from 9E to XJ because we don't have the manpower. Supposedly, we're getting it back in Sept, but I don't trust management on anything they say anymore. I've been slapped across the face by them too many times.
08-06-2010 | 07:34 AM
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Too late. We've already moved one plane, just not the way they said. N825AY was moved from 9E to XJ because we don't have the manpower. Supposedly, we're getting it back in Sept, but I don't trust management on anything they say anymore. I've been slapped across the face by them too many times.
At least one of our three headed monster actually runs like an airline. Hopefully you guys can knock some sense into the other two.
08-06-2010 | 02:18 PM
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Ya, now let's hope we can at least get the current Mesaba contract (hopefully better) and keep all three (or two) companies profitable...
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