9E/XJ MOU status
08-04-2010 | 11:16 AM
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Are you referring to the MOU for the hiring of XJ guys? If so here are the highlights since I don't have the actual MOU on me at the moment...
A little copy/paste action out of an LEC update works...
The XJ furloughs will be offered the positions in their current seniority order. Meaning their most senior furloughed pilot has first right of refusal.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
The longevity will be used for pay and benefit purposes and will be executed on the 9E pay and benefits scales.
The pilots will keep their spot on the XJ seniority list and when any type of integration of seniority is agreed upon these pilots will use their seniority from the MESABA list, not their new position on the Pinnacle list.
A little copy/paste action out of an LEC update works...
The XJ furloughs will be offered the positions in their current seniority order. Meaning their most senior furloughed pilot has first right of refusal.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
The longevity will be used for pay and benefit purposes and will be executed on the 9E pay and benefits scales.
The pilots will keep their spot on the XJ seniority list and when any type of integration of seniority is agreed upon these pilots will use their seniority from the MESABA list, not their new position on the Pinnacle list.
08-04-2010 | 11:25 AM
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Ok now I am confused. I understand a lot of the senior folks are referencing what happened between XJ and 9E over a decade ago.
I thought the MEC's were working on a new MOU which was addressed in the last MEC e-mail on July 29, 2010:
My question is what was agreed to?
I don't know how this SLI is going to shake down, but my belief is any currently FURLOUGHED Mesaba employee should be treated no more than a new hire at Pinnacle unless they choose to go to Colgan. The company has been gracious enough to offer those furloughed to keep their longevity for pay and being offered a hiring preference.
The bottom line is: Mesaba furloughs are no longer active employees. They were essentially terminated from their workplace but given recall rights to their same jobs at Mesaba. In the case of Pinnacle, they are no longer returning to Mesaba. They are being offered positions at Pinnacle - a completely different airline.
Any current Mesaba employee being transferred to Pinnacle due to ship transfers should be able to retain a position for SLI.
I thought the MEC's were working on a new MOU which was addressed in the last MEC e-mail on July 29, 2010:
Mesaba Hiring MOU - The Memorandum of Understanding allowing furloughed Mesaba Airlines pilots to be given preferential hiring status to fill Pinnacle Airlines new hire positions was fully approved.
I don't know how this SLI is going to shake down, but my belief is any currently FURLOUGHED Mesaba employee should be treated no more than a new hire at Pinnacle unless they choose to go to Colgan. The company has been gracious enough to offer those furloughed to keep their longevity for pay and being offered a hiring preference.
The bottom line is: Mesaba furloughs are no longer active employees. They were essentially terminated from their workplace but given recall rights to their same jobs at Mesaba. In the case of Pinnacle, they are no longer returning to Mesaba. They are being offered positions at Pinnacle - a completely different airline.
Any current Mesaba employee being transferred to Pinnacle due to ship transfers should be able to retain a position for SLI.
08-04-2010 | 11:27 AM
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The XJ furloughs will be offered the positions in their current seniority order. Meaning their most senior furloughed pilot has first right of refusal.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
That is the question I propsed to the MEC about a week ago and I was told the MOU was still getting worked out, maybe there is another updated MOU on the way...
08-04-2010 | 11:29 AM
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Are you referring to the MOU for the hiring of XJ guys? If so here are the highlights since I don't have the actual MOU on me at the moment...
A little copy/paste action out of an LEC update works...
The XJ furloughs will be offered the positions in their current seniority order. Meaning their most senior furloughed pilot has first right of refusal.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
The longevity will be used for pay and benefit purposes and will be executed on the 9E pay and benefits scales.
The pilots will keep their spot on the XJ seniority list and when any type of integration of seniority is agreed upon these pilots will use their seniority from the MESABA list, not their new position on the Pinnacle list.
A little copy/paste action out of an LEC update works...
The XJ furloughs will be offered the positions in their current seniority order. Meaning their most senior furloughed pilot has first right of refusal.
The XJ furloughs will come to pinnacle as new hires in terms of seniority, it is as if they are new hires “off the street” and will be the most junior pilots on the list.
The XJ furloughs will bring their XJ longevity for time served. This is not simply their DOH; this is their time as active pilots prior to furlough date.
The longevity will be used for pay and benefit purposes and will be executed on the 9E pay and benefits scales.
The pilots will keep their spot on the XJ seniority list and when any type of integration of seniority is agreed upon these pilots will use their seniority from the MESABA list, not their new position on the Pinnacle list.
08-04-2010 | 11:41 AM
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But my question is, since they are getting rid of the Saabs starting next year, if it happens to be the case, how will the transfer of pilots to 9E get sorted out, say a guy who has 3 years at XJ and is still active on the XJ list as of right now goes to 9E, does he or she get seniority at 9E in front of those who are furloughed from XJ and are taking the recall to 9E? Supposedly they can't furlough at XJ in the next 11 months (12 months since date of purchase so it may not even be a legit question)
That is the question I propsed to the MEC about a week ago and I was told the MOU was still getting worked out, maybe there is another updated MOU on the way...
That is the question I propsed to the MEC about a week ago and I was told the MOU was still getting worked out, maybe there is another updated MOU on the way...
08-04-2010 | 12:33 PM
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Here is what I have been told.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
08-04-2010 | 12:38 PM
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Here is what I have been told.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
08-04-2010 | 12:42 PM
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Here is what I have been told.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
Pinnacle and Mesaba are not merging. Colgan and Mesaba are merging.
Mesaba's contract states that if planes go to Pinnacle then SOME of the pilots go too.
Not all of mesaba's pilots will be able to come over to Pinnacle. Some will have to go to Colgan.
Mesaba will have a "pinnacle vacancy" that will list the amount of pilots that will come with the jets. It could be 10 or could be a couple hundred. The amount will be detrmined by management. People will bid for this vacancy if they want to come to pinnacle with the jets. It will be seniority based.
When the bid closes and the people come to pinnacle there will be an SLI via the alpa merger policy. Once that takes place the people left at mesaba will have an SLI with colgan via the alpa merger policy.
The Colgan and Mesaba merger will then take place. The ground, dispatch, etc etc will begin to be intergrated.
Do you have a source to back this up or is this just more speculation?
08-04-2010 | 12:43 PM
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It will take at least 1-2 years to get one seniority list going. Then once that happens new lec's will have to be created that cover all the bases between colgan, mesaba, and pinnacle. Thats another year. Then once that happens we get a new mec, negotiating commt, etc etc. Then once all of that happens we can then negotiate for one contract. By that time our contract will have been ammendable for 10 years. I dont think thats a stretch either.
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