View Poll Results: What will the regionals be flying in 5 years
Scope will go back to 50 seats or less
38
16.67%
Scope will allow more 76 jets but stay at 76 seats
94
41.23%
Scope will allow 100 Seats or less
60
26.32%
Scope will allow 125 seats or less
36
15.79%
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Will 100 seat aircraft come to the regionals?
08-16-2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think what most people don't understand is that there is NO 100 seat aircraft available except for the E190, and most airlines are not impressed with the product.
Also, the C-Series is what, 3-4 years out (allegedly)? Still plenty of time for an airline to to evaluate markets and get an order in for some early delivery positions.
As to the OP's question...I sure hope not.
08-16-2010 | 08:47 PM
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The current news is ripe with code shares far in excess of 100 seat jets. Code share will be the new "regional" contract, or any other scheme that gets around scope and puts super cheap pilots in the biggest plane possible.
Too many pilots are the common denominator to low salaries. If the salaries went up, the contracting out issue (by whatever method) will be mitigated. Salaries will only go up when there is a bona fide shortage of pilots who will work for $20/hour.
Quite regularly, there's a post on these forums proclaiming, "I don't care how bad the pay/conditions are, I want to fly for a living", and I'm not convinced that the 1500/ATP rule will have a significant impact overall.
Too many pilots are the common denominator to low salaries. If the salaries went up, the contracting out issue (by whatever method) will be mitigated. Salaries will only go up when there is a bona fide shortage of pilots who will work for $20/hour.
Quite regularly, there's a post on these forums proclaiming, "I don't care how bad the pay/conditions are, I want to fly for a living", and I'm not convinced that the 1500/ATP rule will have a significant impact overall.
08-16-2010 | 09:08 PM
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08-17-2010 | 02:47 AM
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It is also worth noting that the BAe-146 that AWAC operated had a much, much higher payscale than most of the larger ones have today. It was a special operation which was tolerated by the United pilots because it was a small fleet (18 at its maximum), operated in and out of a few places they couldn't easily do (ASE and SBA) without bringing that equipment into their fleet.
IIRC, the top payscale was something around $140/hour before the concessionary contract went into effect. And there were a lot at that figure. It was not some unreachable number as AWAC had always been a company with high longevity.
It was a unique situation and not really comparable to the Mesa and Republic 86-seaters which are operated in far, far larger numbers to destinations US Airways pilots could easily do.
IIRC, the top payscale was something around $140/hour before the concessionary contract went into effect. And there were a lot at that figure. It was not some unreachable number as AWAC had always been a company with high longevity.
It was a unique situation and not really comparable to the Mesa and Republic 86-seaters which are operated in far, far larger numbers to destinations US Airways pilots could easily do.
08-17-2010 | 02:49 AM
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They don't fly those in a Fee For Departure agreement. The question is about that type of operation. Republic blurs the line of 'regional' because you can buy a ticket on an airline owned by RAH. You can't on most other FFD airlines which survive only on their Capacity Purchase Agreements.
08-17-2010 | 02:59 AM
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Sorry guys, 50+ seat RJs are not going to continue long for any Regional with a UA/CO contract. Everyone I talk to indicates scope is the #1 issue on the JCBA. Existing contracts will likely run until the expiration date but eventually any 50+ seat RJs will be flown by United pilots.
08-17-2010 | 04:41 AM
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Sorry guys, 50+ seat RJs are not going to continue long for any Regional with a UA/CO contract. Everyone I talk to indicates scope is the #1 issue on the JCBA. Existing contracts will likely run until the expiration date but eventually any 50+ seat RJs will be flown by United pilots.
08-17-2010 | 04:49 AM
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The pilots will, however, have greater leverage in future contract negotiations.
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