View Poll Results: What will the regionals be flying in 5 years
Scope will go back to 50 seats or less
38
16.67%
Scope will allow more 76 jets but stay at 76 seats
94
41.23%
Scope will allow 100 Seats or less
60
26.32%
Scope will allow 125 seats or less
36
15.79%
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Will 100 seat aircraft come to the regionals?
08-16-2010 | 11:26 AM
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Will 100 seat aircraft come to the regionals?
The reason i am doing these polls is to get everyones opinion on the future since it looks like there is going to be 2 main regional companies (pinnacle and Skywest) and a wild card in republic. Do you guys see aircraft such as the E190 and CRJ1000 at the regional level? How about the smaller C Series aircraft? I myself have already decided that if these aircraft end up at Pinnacle doing long distance routes - I might just stay where i am at for the rest of my career.
What do you think? Also, at this point - I am aware that Republic has already placed an order for CSeries aircraft - but they also have their own airline at this point.
What do you think? Also, at this point - I am aware that Republic has already placed an order for CSeries aircraft - but they also have their own airline at this point.
08-16-2010 | 04:07 PM
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08-16-2010 | 04:51 PM
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Regionals have received their largest aircraft. I think what most people don't understand is that there is NO 100 seat aircraft available except for the E190, and most airlines are not impressed with the product. Not to mention that most airlines, including DAL aren't interested in a 100 seat airplane. It's looking like 130 pax min is turning into the new norm.
It's unlikely that the airlines will attempt to fill the gap between 76-130 seat flying.
It's unlikely that the airlines will attempt to fill the gap between 76-130 seat flying.
08-16-2010 | 04:57 PM
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It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly pressurized cabins.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly with a flight attendant.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly turbines.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly 50+ seats.
Will the regionals ever fly 100+ seats? Yes. There's no way they won't.
FYI - Jazz just got 757s to fly up in Canada.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly with a flight attendant.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly turbines.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly 50+ seats.
Will the regionals ever fly 100+ seats? Yes. There's no way they won't.
FYI - Jazz just got 757s to fly up in Canada.
08-16-2010 | 05:02 PM
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Page 16 Section 1-K-18
UNITED AIRLINES REWRITE 2003 ALPA
1-K-18 "Market" means a pair of airports, e.g., ORD-MSP. 1-K-19 "Non-Stop" means a flight in a Market that does not include a scheduled intervening take off and landing. 1-K-20 ''Parent'' refers to UAL Corp. (''UAL'') or any other Entity that has majority control of the Company, whether directly or indirectly, through the majority control of other Entities that have majority control of the Company. 1-K-21 "Round Trip" means a pair of flights to and from one city in a Market to the other, e.g. ORD-STL-ORD. 1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70) or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota". Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US, N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW, N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE, N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft, or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds. 1-K-23 "United States" when referring to geographical extent means only the States of the United States of America and the District of Columbia. 1-K-24 "United States and Territories" means the United States and its territories and possessions including but not limited to the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. 1-K-25 For the purposes of paragraph 1-F the following definitions will apply: 1-K-25-a Consolidated UAL Corp Total Operating Revenue - United Airlines and Regional Affiliates passenger revenue, cargo, and other operating revenues 1-K-25-b Consolidated UAL Corp Total Operating Expense - Salaries and related costs, Aircraft fuel, Regional Affiliates expense, Purchased services, Landing
UNITED AIRLINES REWRITE 2003 ALPA
1-K-18 "Market" means a pair of airports, e.g., ORD-MSP. 1-K-19 "Non-Stop" means a flight in a Market that does not include a scheduled intervening take off and landing. 1-K-20 ''Parent'' refers to UAL Corp. (''UAL'') or any other Entity that has majority control of the Company, whether directly or indirectly, through the majority control of other Entities that have majority control of the Company. 1-K-21 "Round Trip" means a pair of flights to and from one city in a Market to the other, e.g. ORD-STL-ORD. 1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70) or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota". Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US, N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW, N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE, N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft, or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds. 1-K-23 "United States" when referring to geographical extent means only the States of the United States of America and the District of Columbia. 1-K-24 "United States and Territories" means the United States and its territories and possessions including but not limited to the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. 1-K-25 For the purposes of paragraph 1-F the following definitions will apply: 1-K-25-a Consolidated UAL Corp Total Operating Revenue - United Airlines and Regional Affiliates passenger revenue, cargo, and other operating revenues 1-K-25-b Consolidated UAL Corp Total Operating Expense - Salaries and related costs, Aircraft fuel, Regional Affiliates expense, Purchased services, Landing
08-16-2010 | 05:06 PM
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It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly pressurized cabins.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly with a flight attendant.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly jets.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly 50+ seats.
Will the regionals ever fly 100+ seats? Yes. There's no way they won't.
FYI - Jazz just got 757s to fly up in Canada.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly with a flight attendant.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly jets.
It wasn't that long ago that many people were asking if the regionals would fly 50+ seats.
Will the regionals ever fly 100+ seats? Yes. There's no way they won't.
FYI - Jazz just got 757s to fly up in Canada.
They wont fly them as a partner with a major airline. If they choose to go it alone they will fly them. The only way scope is going to be relaxed at any of the majors is with a court order via a 1113 motion. Thats not likely to happen anytime soon.
08-16-2010 | 05:11 PM
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We need to quickly define something here. Are we talking about regional pay or regional airlines? There is very little difference right now.
By your tone, RAH can fly 757s for regional pay, but it will not be a problem for the industry as a whole. This is what Jazz will be doing for Thomas Cooke, as they will fly as one of their subcontractors. 757s for Dash 8 pay. Really good Dash 8 pay mind you, but still Dash 8 pay.
By your tone, RAH can fly 757s for regional pay, but it will not be a problem for the industry as a whole. This is what Jazz will be doing for Thomas Cooke, as they will fly as one of their subcontractors. 757s for Dash 8 pay. Really good Dash 8 pay mind you, but still Dash 8 pay.
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