It's not likely to go anywhere in this case but the general gist of the idea is worth discussing.

The only way we are going to get a virtual DCI list is to agree on it BEFORE something bad happens, or is imminent...I don't think anyone would be willing to enter into a reciprocal deal with CA right now, there's way too much smoke over there even if the flames aren't visible yet.

Perhaps a DCI one list agreement which would go into effect in 3-4 years? That's far enough over the airline event horizon that nobody could predict who would need the insurance the. It's too late to buy insurance when your house is on fire.

 

Why not have this for Midwest guys or does this only apply to Comair pilots? Plus if SkyWest does buy Comair assets like the rumor states, what is binding if the ac just go to SkyWest and fly under ual colors? What about those that fly under multiple airlines? I can understand pref hiring but if it's not a merger why should a lifer benefit at another company while making qol for those junior already here suffer? If it's a full blown merger like asa/xjt a pilot integration list is a must but that's not what we are talking about.
I understand the unity but regardless of the good will it would be another slap in the face of the junior pilots and the qol they earned at their airline.

 

JoeMerchant..great idea, and thanks from all us @ OH. Not that long ago, OH was in the cat-bird seat...if you think you're safe at an airline, you're a fool. If circumatances were reversed, although it would suck for me, I would strongly support ASA pilots' seniority.
"We must all hang together, or we will surely hang seperately"

Jayray5150 seems to be caught up in the minutiae, and since this isn't your 1st "airline rodeo", I'm guessing you are one of the few @DAL who came up through the regionals instead of squadron life. If you've been a regional pilot, you know what it's like...Joe was merely showing solidarity, a trait sorely lacking among pilots.

As far as Mesaba, hopefully they'll eventually get an SLI.

It's true, if it's not UAL or DAL, we will probably be left to our own devices. ALPA couldn't even come up with furlough mitigation practices @ OH when XJT and FedEx were able to, (not knocking the guys @ local level..we have a great furlough coordinator) ALPA national has left too many guys twisting in the wind to believe they'll help. (A ray of hope in the Spirit strike...but that's an anomaly.)

 

If you guys think ALPA is going to do anything to help regional pilots you are sorely mistaken.

They couldn't care less. It sucks, but its the truth.

They've stood there and watched us get to where we are today (in the ****ter); why would they decide to do something now?

 

As a super junior guy at OH, I would just be satisfied if the DAL south guys would make eye contact with us in the terminal.

It gets frustrating working hard to get Delta guys on the jumpseat only to have them pretend to not know us once we get in the terminal.

Also, some of us want to be (gasp) Delta pilots one day. I understand about the bad blood between the two groups, but please don't lump a 2005 or later hire and assume we had anything to do with what happened before we came on property.

 

I agree... there are several of us at CMR that were not around during the DAL/CMR fist fight. In fact many of those that were at the time disagreed with things that were being done.

That said we do need to figure out a way to protect ourselves and our careers. I don't think Joe's answer is the proper one. Seems like just another way for Mgmt to screw people over once labor cost at one airline are "too high".

 

The whole attitude of any pilot that looks down upon Comair pilots because they struck as a union to get a fair contract drives me nuts.

Any pilot in a position where they are in negotiations and a Federal mediator says, yeah you have every reason to strike, would do so. You wouldn't look around and say "hmmmmm.........I sure hope this doesn't affect anyone else's life if I go on strike".

I have met many mainline pilots that felt if they struck at their airline it would have been acceptable. So it's kind of a double standard to label Comair pilots for doing what every pilot would like to do to their management. Show them how important of a role they play in everyday operations. And even more important on holidays.

 

I wasn't around back then. But the feeling I get is that the reason mainline pilots dislike comair has more to do with the things the MEC said when they were furloughing. He was very arrogant and didn't want to lend a helping hand to DAL furloughs.

 

True. From what I understand before I got furloughed from Comair is the anger towards the OH pilot group has to do with the MEC's refusal to take furloughed Delta pilots without first resigning their Delta seniority number. In addition to that, the RJDC was in full swing... and we all know that wasn't helping anything.

I'm saddened that those affected would just write off all Comair pilots because of this. Many of us have been hired post 2001, as for me, I was only 16 years old when the strike and Delta furlough occurred. Had I been around during that time, I would have absolutely voiced my disapproval toward the total lack of compassion and disregard for furloughed Delta brothers and sisters. I would just like everyone to know that the decisions made by a certain past MEC does NOT reflect the opinions of everyone currently working there or furloughed from there.

 

Edtied, Diver Driver is a minute ahead of me as well as the addition of Spirit;

This more correct regarding the animosity. Couple that with the whole RJDC issue.

ANY pilot that expresses ill will towards COMAIR for the strike needs to have their head examined. Because sadly, excluding the ACMI/non-sched strikes, those little "regional" pilots are ONLY ones to stand up an walk for better pay/workrules since NW and before Spirit. Of course, after being in compliance with the RLA. What happened to those pay/workrules during the BK's is history. None the less, doesn't change the fact.