That's the point! Do you really think management is going to suddenly decide to pay you 2nd year SWA pay ($184/$92) to fly an RJ?!! Really? If you want the flying, you'll have to fly them for the going rate. You do NOT have management over a barrel!

 

not yet at least.

 

You never will. What pilots don't "get" is that management is smarter than us! We always think we have them backed into a corner, just to find they thought of something we hadn't considered! This is why contracts need to be renegotiated every 3-5 years instead of being permanent!

 

We aren't talking about me. We are talking about CAL/UAL whom has 147/1400+ on furlough. The J4J program has UAL furloughs flying the right seat of GoJets & Skywest for those wages right now. So taking back that flying at those payrates isn't a hit for them. It would get them back on line at mainline and they'd most likely end up under better work rules with the new contract, or in the case of Skywest work rules period.

If they have furloughees flying those airplanes while they aren't at mainline then it's clear that they'd have ZERO problems doing it at mainline under a better contract. As you've said, it's not all about $$$.

 

Regardless of the current rates, those jobs should be at mainline. I believe that 50 seat + and all Jets should be mainline flying.

 

Jerry A just post under your real name, jeez!

I love how the whole RJ is the argument to be paid less, I think this is what UAL pilots are trying to say as well, just because it's an RJ doesn't mean you have to be paid like sh!t. I and not saying they are going to give me a raise to $95 hr to throw gear, I could see $50-55 and hour to throw gear. I think the comparison is that if a guy goes to a major at year 5 from a regional, he will be in a much better position at year 10 at the major verses year 15 at the regional, probably about $100 an hour better. Anyway I hope there is a regional around in 20 years. At some point I think these majors are going to realize you get what you pay for and as in the case of Mesa, it is just a terrible product because they pay their FA's dirt and no one wants to work there, be interesting to see what the 1500 hr rule does when these regionals need 200 pilots a month off the street.

 

You're right. The +/- 1400 furloughees ar United are the wild card I hadn't considered. They'd probably take such a deal just to get back to mainline.

But that's only 1400 pilots. Where they get the other 5000 or so pilots flying RJs in UAL or CAL colors from? They can't interview, hire, and train that fast. it would have to be a staple.

 

Would you fly a CRJ700 for $93/hr at 15 years max? And why?

 

FWIW, the majority see's the CRJ700 and sees an annoyance, the CRJ900 and they see a threat, and the EMB175 as a WTH?

Had the EMB175 not been built, this would've garnered a lot less attention. Now to see a jet that is not an extended RJ flying and not a range limited BAE146 around for someone else, has gotten a lot of attention. Especially at UAL.

Heck, the CAL pilots see the Dash 8-400s as a direct 735 replacement and they're right.

And again, management, not to thrilled to have funded CHQ turned RAH turned Midwest and Frontier. I think next time they'll cut the next "we'll go it alone!" at the knees before they have the money to pull off purchasing profitable planes.

 

That's why the proposal is to bring it back under mainline progressively, over the course of several years.