Not necessarily. 50 seaters are becoming uneconomical. They're not even being produced anymore. Tightening down scope will make it easier to recapture all scope. As 50 seaters continue to be parked regionals will continue to shrink. Less 70 seaters allowed means more lift needed at mainline. Either way, the pendulum is swinging back to mainline.

 

You mainline guys (mostly junior, I suspect) can beat your chests all you want to. No one is listening. The senior pilots at your carriers are in the drivers seat and they couldn't care less about scope. They only care about pay, days off, and retirement.

Scope will be sold again as soon as the price is right. Mark my words.

 

And you can just hang in your barbie jet until then, captain. I prefer making 30% more in the right seat. As has been pointed out many times on APC, at UAL anyway, 70 seat scope came with the bankruptcy along with 40% paycuts and furloughs. Just how was scope "sold"? What did we get in return? The senior pilots took $5-6K per month paycuts as the first 70 seaters were coming online. If senior pilots "couldn't care less", why did senior pilots go out on strike in 1985 when the b-scale did not affect them whatsoever? All of those senior guys are gone, but the junior (now senior) guys remember. Besides, scope affects everyone. Can you say Aer Lingus? Be a little jet lifer if you want. But don't expect to be able to stand up in your cabin anytime soon. Mark my words.

 

And you lifers can beat your chests all you want, mainline pilots aren't listening. You're nervous because you know all your growth came as a result of Bankruptcy contracts, which will not be happening again for quite some time. You realize that your growth has peaked, & now your wondering what the future holds as Legacys move farther away from 50 seaters and Mainline pilots threaten to tighten/recapture their flying.

What you fail to realize is that 70 scope was never sold in the first place, it was TAKEN along with payrates, pensions, & QOL. And if you think UAL/CAL guys will give away more scope you've got the blinders on. You really think the domestic narrowbody guys who are working 90 hours with only 12 days off are going to sell scope so they can continue to do that, or do you think they'll retain/tighten scope so they can move back up to a WB so they can make more?? Hmmm?

We are already 2.5 years into Age 65, and many of these senior guys who you claim are in the drivers seat will be forced to retire before the contract even kicks in.

Mark MY words. Scope will not be sold.

 

Showing how little you know.

1. DALPA did in FACT sell scope for money in the 90s. Twice! Way before bankruptcy. Otherwise we wouldn't have RJs!

2. You can easily stand in the cabin of a CRJ 700 or 900 unless you're over 6'2".

 

Revisionist history! We were growing like a weed long before bankruptcy.

As for the rest of it, we shall see. But careful throwing around the lifer comments, you man get an infraction for flamebait, lol.

 

Yes you were. With 50 seaters that are being parked at a rapid rate. 70 seaters will remain capped, which is why your growth is done.

Calling you a lifer is not flamebait. Are you ashamed by the term? Is it considered an insult? I don't think so. It's simply a term used to describe those who've had the decision to move on, but have chosen to stay at a regional. That's not an insult, it's simply a term.

 

Good post.



Lets see, I was hired at XJT when we still had a full fleet of props and a bunch of jets starting to come in. CAL was laughed at for their scope that allowed us to go to 275 jets, until someone wrecked 931. We always said they'd sell scope, they're such a wretched group picking up overtime while they were furloughing pilots anyways. They'd sell their grandmother for $2/hr.

Well, they never sold scope did they?

They even went so far as to put out a press release saying they're fighting to get back all of their flying, thats significant and a heck of a start.

CAL managed to maximize what they could including getting Dash 8-400s. So why didn't CAL IACP/ALPA allow Ejets and CRJ700+ seaters on property?

And why in the hell is Colgan and Commutair flying for Continental? Why didn't XJT ALPA stop that? Or could they? hmmm, why is that?

Not to mention this, and this is important, Delta and Continental are full of regional jet pilots now who know, we all know, were flying in replacement of mainline aircraft. A lot of Coex pilots are at CAL and not all are recent hires, many were there in the mid to late 90s. They're after correcting the sins of the past, past being underestimating the impact of RJs at CAL. At DAL, its multi-layered.

Now back in early 2000 it was all about frequency and access, now, its about capacity control and RASM-CASM, contribution.

 

ASA just acquired an additional 4 200s and 4 additional 700s. We have grown, not lost any. Explain that.

I was just giving you a hard time. We already discussed my career goals anyhow.

 

I would agree that is growth.

Oh, ok. Lol.