Stagechecks ,for a part 141 school, are not reported to anyone. They are kept on record at the school for a few years but to think that the FAA is going to retroactively go back into every old students folder to sift through the paperwork to see if they failed anything is just not going to happen. I used to perform stagechecks for a part 141 school. Most stagecheck failures were literally just written in the the students folder and filed away.

Right now anything that you get a pink slip or letter of disapproval for will go into your record at the FAA.

 

Yes and that's how Captain was able to work at Colgan. The FAA wants to address that in the future and they should. That is basically a free pass which obviously can have disastrous results.

The issue with that though it sounds like people fail those checks all the time....

 

Stage checks shouldn't count or be on any record. If you go part 61 you'll have 3-5 checkrides, if you go 141 you may have 15+. And most places they do a stage check right before your final checkride, and they make the stage check much harder then the checkride to you know where your weakness is.

I went to UND, and I failed a stage check while doing my private because I forgot 1 of the 4 parts to an MEL, and the guy said it was a zero tolerance area, and I had to know everything about the MEL. I then failed during a commercial prep on eights on pylons because "It looked too square." When I asked the guy a year later what that was all about, he said he was sorry and was way too strict when he first started, and just laughed.

So because of the preamble to the MEL and square looking eight on pylon I cant apply to Colgan with 2 years CFIing, 2 years cargo, and over 2000 hrs? As John Stossels would say, "give me a break."

(I'm not applying to Colgan, Colgan was just used as an example, and my story is just to give an example of the many people out there in my shoes.)

 

I know eagle will definitely take you with a bust...who cares about colgan

 

Well if Stage checks at Pt 141 schools are going to start counting against you I believe around 50% of those students will not be able to work for the airlines. I bet you will be able to to work for the FAA though, their requirements are 2 or less accidents or incidents in the last 5 years, know thats some high standards, plus you will make a crapload more then those perfect pilots working for great companies like Colgan.

 

I have a great checkride bust story that I would gladly share with any interviewer. It is perfect for those lessons learned and this is how Ive changed since type of story-telling. If AE wouldn't want me because of that bust then it certainly isn't the company for me. I'm thinking that ANY checkride bust seems to too general of a characterization, but then I've never interviewed with an airline so I'm just stating my opinion here. I agree with the advice given though that honesty is the best policy here.

USMCFLYR

 

Tim Martins doesn't fail checkrides. Checkrides fail Tim Martins.

 

Hey it's the FAA. They're there to help!

 

FLYR,

A very long time ago, when I interviewed with a major airline, they asked - "Have you ever failed a check ride?"

I got the feeling they didn't care whether the answer was yes or no. They did however, want a story... We all learn from our failures.

 

Time Martins doesn't fail checkrides because Tim Martin never fails checkrides.