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newarkblows 10-02-2010 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Banshee365 (Post 879347)
I kinda have to disagree with that. I have never flown the 200 and have flown with less than a handfull of guy's that are truley not a pleasure to fly with. There are very few and I've flown with all of the guy's you hear everyone mentioning. If you have an ego to uphold and alot to try and prove to others then you will have issues. If you just do the job and let your ego sit aside it's not bad at all. Choose your battles and some things that are said in the cockpit are better just going unanswering or left without comment instead of trying to argue and prove your stance against someone who isn't going to change theirs.

The type of pilot you are referring to is at every airline, in every type of airplane, and at all levels of seniority. Sometimes people are really cool first officers and then they upgrade or get a little bit of authority and they constantly need to demonstrate how much better they are or how much more they know then the average guy. Usually these are the type of people that would never see authority in any other career and have some grandiose idea of the power bestowed upon them.

For new guys starting out it wont be hard to just bite your tongue and take it as a lesson on how NOT to act. For the Comair guy who has 4 yrs under him it will be painful to bite his tongue and put up with some idiots bs.

SuperPilotJesse 10-02-2010 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rking (Post 879231)
Jesse,
Can you tell me how you got the interview? I have currently worked for Comair for 4 years and would love to go to ASA since I live in ATL(and going to be furloughed soon.) When did you apply? Did you have internal recs? Any info you have would be appreciated. BTW, I have 2000 121 Jet time and applied to ASA about 3 weeks ago. You can PM me if you want.

PM sent....

afterburn81 10-02-2010 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Banshee365 (Post 879347)
I kinda have to disagree with that. I have never flown the 200 and have flown with less than a handfull of guy's that are truley not a pleasure to fly with. There are very few and I've flown with all of the guy's you hear everyone mentioning. If you have an ego to uphold and alot to try and prove to others then you will have issues. If you just do the job and let your ego sit aside it's not bad at all. Choose your battles and some things that are said in the cockpit are better just going unanswering or left without comment instead of trying to argue and prove your stance against someone who isn't going to change theirs.

Well consider yourself lucky having not had an experience with any of the people I'm referring to. Due to the $8 difference in the top line pay between the the 200 and 700 some of the real senior guys have made their way over to the 700 indefinitely. It called the "Jurassic Jet" for a reason. However it's not always the old guys that present the problem. And it sure as heck doesn't matter who the F.O. is and the strength in their ability to "bite their tongue".

These guys are just flat out bitter, have very awkward personalities, HATE most FO's and have a real problem letting go and giving into change. I wish that I could say this was my opinion only however, it's a common feeling amongst a lot of pilots including captains, fa's and fo's NOT included in the "me generation".

I just think on the 200 you have more options and more choices of people to fly with. I also think there are far less crusty captains on the 200. At least this is what I hear from lots of FO's that flat out refuse to fly the 700/900.

Trip7 10-02-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by pullforexit (Post 879204)
If you are strictly comparing junior reserves (ie the last guy on each FO list), which has a better QOL, 200 or 700? I don't care about fadecs, slats, or first class seats.

Like afterburn said it doesn't matter. Reserve QOL on the 200 and 700 are the same. Same reserve rules, same number of days off etc etc.

Trip7 10-02-2010 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 879381)
Well consider yourself lucky having not had an experience with any of the people I'm referring to. Due to the $8 difference in the top line pay between the the 200 and 700 some of the real senior guys have made their way over to the 700 indefinitely. It called the "Jurassic Jet" for a reason. However it's not always the old guys that present the problem. And it sure as heck doesn't matter who the F.O. is and the strength in their ability to "bite their tongue".

These guys are just flat out bitter, have very awkward personalities, HATE most FO's and have a real problem letting go and giving into change. I wish that I could say this was my opinion only however, it's a common feeling amongst a lot of pilots including captains, fa's and fo's NOT included in the "me generation".

I just think on the 200 you have more options and more choices of people to fly with. I also think there are far less crusty captains on the 200. At least this is what I hear from lots of FO's that flat out refuse to fly the 700/900.

I flew the 700/900 on reserve for a year and by some miracle I somehow never got to fly with any of the infamous crusty captains. Most of the old guys I flew with were awesome and easy to have a good convo with even though they got hired at ASA before I was born:D

todd1200 10-02-2010 02:11 PM

I think there are some minor differences between reserve on the 200 and the 700. With most of the legs being longer on the 700, scheduling (in my limited experience) seems less apt to tack on an extra turn when you call to get released at the end of a trip. Also, I used to always get tagged to taxi planes around while sitting ready reserve on the 200 -- I haven't seen that happen on the 700. And yes, a lot of the guys toward the top of the list are pretty cool to fly with, but my "Do not award pairing if Employee # _____" preference in PBS has been growing since I came to the 700. Some pretty junior guys may end up with Tuesday-Thursday three days, because so many FOs bid around certain captains.

atlmsl 10-02-2010 07:21 PM

I have bid reserve 8 out of the last 9 months on the 700. The captains that I do not want to fly with have nothing to do with personality but rather the way they perform their duties (ie completely nonstandard). I have yet to fly with someone that I cannot put up with for 4 days. Even the white dragon was tolerable. Just do your job and don't be that guy. I happen to enjoy flying with some of these senior captains. Most are laid back and their stories are entertaining at cruise.

seatbelt 10-03-2010 07:34 PM

Can I talk someone who works for Atlantic Southeast into walking my resume in!?!

TRS531 10-03-2010 11:21 PM

Had mine thrown in the mix this weekend and was told by one of the chief pilots they're now done hiring for this round. Hope the next round is sooner rather than later!

johnpeace 10-04-2010 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 879453)
I flew the 700/900 on reserve for a year and by some miracle I somehow never got to fly with any of the infamous crusty captains. Most of the old guys I flew with were awesome and easy to have a good convo with even though they got hired at ASA before I was born:D

I was born before our most senior captain was hired, but have otherwise found the same thing to be true. I was on the 700 for about 8 mos before my 2/2009 furlough and had a great time flying with a fair mix of captains from old/crusty to young/fresh.

<shrug>

We're pilots...all of us have the capacity to be an ******* or a great guy.


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