Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 907892)

It seems bgmann wants larger jets at Eagle, but the reality is that it makes little difference to the APA where their flying goes, if it's elsewhere. That is UNLESS they control the flying and for Eagle pilots that means the stapler comes out and as large RJ's replace smaller ones, junior and furloughed AA pilots take the slots (at least captain slots) which is as it should be for the only way that will happen is mutual agreement of all parties.

At least for the first 5 years or so as this ideal would progress, Eagle pilots would see a lot more retraction pay and seat wise before they could get into large RJ left seats and/or junior conventional narrowbody (738 as the 80's would probably be replaced by these aircraft).

Could happen, but the fact is Eagle pilots will be last in the buffet line.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 908217)

The only thing I can say, is you know exactly nothing and are just hoping to somehow get stapled to AA's list.

There will never be a scenario like that again at AE. But I forgot, you know AMR history.

Originally Posted by bgmann (Post 908167)

I never said that in my opinion AE would get them. I was merely copying and pasting a paragraph in the newsletter.

But...look at the history of AE. AE was once upon a time limited to the Jetstream. Then limited to number of Saabs. Then limited to ATR-42. Then limited to ATR-72. Then they got jets; they were limited to 37 seats. Then 44seat jets. Then 50 seats. Then we could get 22 CRJ-700s. Now we can have +25 CRJs. Now we have first class.

This pattern is significant. Their may even been some planes I missed. But I will take you to debate that there is a significant possibility with the Embraer becoming obsolete AE could be on their way to more than 47 CRJs and with the pattern, could get larger jets. Just saying...I don't necessarily want AE to get large EMBs. I want to be a Major Captain someday and would love there to still be Majors in existence when I am ready.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 888413)

Pump N Dump. Flowthroughs go to AA, which lowers the average seniority (lower labor cost). Upgrades happen (pilot morale technically should improve). New aircraft deliveries (9 more CRJ700s still to be delivered). Lots of fanfare and press releases about how American Eagle Airlines is growing and prospering.

Then IPO

Then AMR removes the CRJs from Eagle, after sending out RFPs to Skywest, RAH, Mesa etc. Park the ATRs and contract Colgan to fly Q400s on our current prop routes. Get another lowballer to fly their surplus 50seaters in the base of your choice (JFK/LGA, ORD, DFW, LAX).

American Eagle stock tanks, AMR stock jumps. Execs collect bonuses and have a party. When Eagle declares BK they will be purchased by SKYW/RAH/Pinnacle.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 907648)

How will mgmt convince APA of allowing Eagle to grow into the 90-120 seat range? Telling APA that it will create more feed for their int'l flights and a more "competitive" airline wont budge APA one bit.

Originally Posted by bgmann (Post 908167)

I never said that in my opinion AE would get them. I was merely copying and pasting a paragraph in the newsletter.

But...look at the history of AE. AE was once upon a time limited to the Jetstream. Then limited to number of Saabs. Then limited to ATR-42. Then limited to ATR-72. Then they got jets; they were limited to 37 seats. Then 44seat jets. Then 50 seats. Then we could get 22 CRJ-700s. Now we can have +25 CRJs. Now we have first class.

This pattern is significant. Their may even been some planes I missed.....

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 908684)

Guess you haven't been paying attention to the new interine agreement with jetBlue very closely....

Let's assume you are correct about your repeated statements of Eagle being spun off... now lets assume they rip up your one page capacity purchase agreement, and reprogram sabre to make Eagle the interline partner of choice. Eagle is now no longer owned, no longer on a CPA for feed... so Eagle and AA sign an interline agreement, just like with JB. Eagle buys larger airplanes, and due to prior arbitrations the routes belong to AMR, not to APA or to EGL ALPA... so, they begin moving slots and routes - just like they did with jetBlue and Eagle routes/slots - to AA's new interline partner... Eagle.



guess you missed that one.....

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 908698)

Big announcement next week.