Skywest opens IAH base
10-29-2010 | 05:39 AM
#21
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SCOPE at UAL
what part of the merger requires that the seniority list be merged and what part of the merger requires a new contract for the merger to be complete?
Cannot the new UAL operate as is today? Has any of the UAL or CAL operating certificates been turned in to the FAA? If not , then cannot the new UAL Holding corporation operate both certificates simultaneously as they are now and the CAL flying just transfered over to the other division operated by old UAL where the scope provisions are more lax to CAL's?
Want to bet that this is the plan unless mgt gets what it wants. What would CAL pilots do, go on strike, call in sick, there are what about 1400 UAL pilots furloughed still which would be recalled back with all the new UAL/old and gone CAL flying moved to UAL. That is the real world that ALPA has made for the regional pilots, now it will play out in mainlines. Get the popcorn ready.
Cannot the new UAL operate as is today? Has any of the UAL or CAL operating certificates been turned in to the FAA? If not , then cannot the new UAL Holding corporation operate both certificates simultaneously as they are now and the CAL flying just transfered over to the other division operated by old UAL where the scope provisions are more lax to CAL's?
Want to bet that this is the plan unless mgt gets what it wants. What would CAL pilots do, go on strike, call in sick, there are what about 1400 UAL pilots furloughed still which would be recalled back with all the new UAL/old and gone CAL flying moved to UAL. That is the real world that ALPA has made for the regional pilots, now it will play out in mainlines. Get the popcorn ready.
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10-29-2010 | 05:50 AM
#22
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Need to get the facts. There is a transition agreement that does not allow this to go on. As one of those, UAL 1437 pilots, I can say most of us have been in the industry long enough to not fall into this trap. CAL pilots are our brothers and most of us UAL furloughees look at the big picture. That would be SCOPE...get the 70+ seat flying back.
2172 Strong
2172 Strong
what part of the merger requires that the seniority list be merged and what part of the merger requires a new contract for the merger to be complete?
Cannot the new UAL operate as is today? Has any of the UAL or CAL operating certificates been turned in to the FAA? If not , then cannot the new UAL Holding corporation operate both certificates simultaneously as they are now and the CAL flying just transfered over to the other division operated by old UAL where the scope provisions are more lax to CAL's?
Want to bet that this is the plan unless mgt gets what it wants. What would CAL pilots do, go on strike, call in sick, there are what about 1400 UAL pilots furloughed still which would be recalled back with all the new UAL/old and gone CAL flying moved to UAL. That is the real world that ALPA has made for the regional pilots, now it will play out in mainlines. Get the popcorn ready.
Cannot the new UAL operate as is today? Has any of the UAL or CAL operating certificates been turned in to the FAA? If not , then cannot the new UAL Holding corporation operate both certificates simultaneously as they are now and the CAL flying just transfered over to the other division operated by old UAL where the scope provisions are more lax to CAL's?
Want to bet that this is the plan unless mgt gets what it wants. What would CAL pilots do, go on strike, call in sick, there are what about 1400 UAL pilots furloughed still which would be recalled back with all the new UAL/old and gone CAL flying moved to UAL. That is the real world that ALPA has made for the regional pilots, now it will play out in mainlines. Get the popcorn ready.
10-29-2010 | 06:04 AM
#23
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No one will have trouble jumpseating out of IAH, whoever is thinking this is being absolutely ridiculous. Watch out for some of the CAL gate agents though, some of them just hate life in general and take it out on you.
10-29-2010 | 06:05 AM
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Need to get the facts. There is a transition agreement that does not allow this to go on. As one of those, UAL 1437 pilots, I can say most of us have been in the industry long enough to not fall into this trap. CAL pilots are our brothers and most of us UAL furloughees look at the big picture. That would be SCOPE...get the 70+ seat flying back.
2172 Strong
2172 Strong
Pilots=stupid. Management=smart.
Gee, I wonder if management has message boards like this where they try to prove to everyone how smart they are. Oh THEY DON'T! I wonder why...?
10-29-2010 | 06:20 AM
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Ha ha, you better do better than that. If you draw the line at 70+, they will be flying CRJ-700s with 65 seats. Wait, we already do that for Delta.
Pilots=stupid. Management=smart.
Gee, I wonder if management has message boards like this where they try to prove to everyone how smart they are. Oh THEY DON'T! I wonder why...?
Pilots=stupid. Management=smart.
Gee, I wonder if management has message boards like this where they try to prove to everyone how smart they are. Oh THEY DON'T! I wonder why...?
10-29-2010 | 09:05 AM
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Need to get the facts. There is a transition agreement that does not allow this to go on. As one of those, UAL 1437 pilots, I can say most of us have been in the industry long enough to not fall into this trap. CAL pilots are our brothers and most of us UAL furloughees look at the big picture. That would be SCOPE...get the 70+ seat flying back.
2172 Strong
2172 Strong
to be quite honest with you, reality does not play out the way you posted. big picture is if they offered you a recall, unless you are making big money elsewhere, you are coming back no matter what or loose your seniority. your brothers or not.
10-29-2010 | 09:54 AM
#29
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From: A320 CA
10-29-2010 | 09:58 AM
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I really don't know why everyone says don't take it out on the pilots...it would seem to me that its nothing personal but I wouldn't gona take you to work to take my/someones job. Look we can't do anything to the man so get at them through canceled flights by not allowing a jumpseater on...you would do more damage to the opperation....a little pain now to make thongs better for us all in the future....you want to refuse me the JS he'll yeh to right ahead....I have a contract that protects me....o you SW boys don't have that....sucks to be you...
Last edited by XJT Pilot; 10-30-2010 at 01:15 AM. Reason: Had to T/O quick Sorry!
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