Jesus, will you guys relax? 757driver, I COMPLETELY understand where you are coming from. I do not work for CAL, UAL or any express carriers (anymore) so I don't have a hand in any of this, but it's ridiculous.

You know those SkyPesters (my term of endearment for them) don't have a say so in any flying they do. The majority of the pilot group probably wants no part in this - however someone has to fly it if management opens it up.

This is CAL flying, absolutely. But - this is also CAL/UAL management's doing, and has nothing to do with choices made by SkyWest. Directing your anger at the regional pilots will do nothing to help the main problem here... you need to fire up your own pilots and get them to do something about this - and while you're at it, please for the love of God tell the UAL pilots to stop giving away flying. Make management stop this crap, but don't get some person going to work in trouble for being late just because you're mad about the whole thing. That does nothing but cause trouble for other pilots who are innocent of the entire thing.

Again - you KNOW how it works. The company gives us flying - and we show up and fly it, or we get in trouble. The only time NO pilot should show up to work is to fly struck work, and even then, those on probation will get fired immediately.

It's nasty out there, but if we're ever going to solve these problems we HAVE to work together.

 

This......

 

Guys,
I realize the Company (United) is playing you guys like "chess pieces" BUT! Air Wisconsin and Atlantic Coast already made the mistake of challenging United management. And both were ROYALLY SCREWED! (if you ever transit ORD go over to look at gates B26-B29 as that wing was BUILT for Air Wisconsin) Then look up what United DID to Air Wiskey when their managment thought they had an edge over United)(as well as what UAL did to Atlantic Coast-Independence Air) If you've got a beef with UAL. SKYW-XJT management?? Then I Might suggest you support UAL's & CAL's ALPA efforts at reigning in Scope so you guys might NOT be flying at a regional but at a Major. Even IF you are a SKYW Non-Union Pilot, Nothing in this won't affect you should this NOT go down right.. SKYW-ASA-XJT are ALL part of the same Group and therefore Equally SCREWED if there's a problem that affects United in the least. A CAL CEO might be running the show but the Name on the side of the Headquarters building says UNITED and United Airlines takes a "DIM VIEW" of ANYTHING or ANYBODY that messes with what they want to achieve. Get behind ALPA and maybe ALL of you come out on a winning end. But flaming and bashing one another? UAL managment is Dying Laughing over this. And Don't think for One Minute they aren't reading this. Those guys only LOOK stupid!!

 

I will echo what 757driver is saying and also add that for the Skywest guys doing the IAH flying come Jan. 1st, make sure you never want to apply for the new United. The flying that will be done by Skywest is a breach of contract, and if you choose to do it, you will have your picture taken and name written down and added to a list. It won't make any difference for the rest of the industry, but at United you can be sure that you will not be getting an interview. As long as pilots are part of the interview selection process, it's probably not the best idea to step on the d*cks of the same guys you someday hope to get a job from.


I seriously doubt that this will be supported by official ALPA policy, but once a list is created and your name is on it, you can be pretty well assured that you will not be invited to an interview.

 

Really Stylie? So any Skywest pilot that even has a turn should get fired or quit so they don't fly in IAH? I'm pretty sure none of them are happy with the new base and I'm also pretty sure the pilots didn't decide to open the new base. Go after management for that one. Specifically YOUR OWN management because they are the ones spreading the flying around the system, not the Skywest pilots. I wouldn't take it out on them. Seeing that your a UAL Furloughee, I'm assuming you didn't quit your job when UAL was giving all that flying to regionals did you? It's a two way street.

 

"Your name on a list" didn't stop Freedom A-listers or GoJet pilots from being hired by any airlines...

 

Since I'm a FL commuter I could have cared less about ORD from a new base standpoint. However, since XJT was nearly on life support when we won the United RFP, I would say that most XJT guys were happy about it.

That being said, my ideology says that I don't mind losing an RFP to a superior company. We were all under the belief that this RFP was to replace Mesa flying. Nothing personal against the Mesa guys, but your company sucks. If XJT, with a much superior contract and a better operation, can take an RFP from a ****tty company like Mesa, then I consider it a victory, not only for XJT, but for the regional industry as a whole.

Like I said, my biggest beef isn't that SKYW is opening an IAH base, but the fact that you guys don't want to join us.

From a CAL point of view, I was just trying to explain why they are so upset (some of your guys just don't seem to get it).

From a jumpseat point of view, while I may not welcome you guys with open arms, I am certainly not going to deny you a ride to work or home.

I only hope that, in time, you all will realize that we can accomplish more as one than we can separately.

 

Well thank you. Now I can sue ALPA (for representing the UAL pilots) and UAL for harrasment, discriminating and denying me a right to work for no other reason that I flew into IAH. My retirement has been made. See you in the California courts, stylish.

 

Those who are are sniping at soon-to-be IAH Skywest pilots are gonna need to switch to shotguns. Check out the new 70-seat feeder for CO in EWR starting in about a month or so: Shuttle America. If you think the IAH "experiment" is an isolated incident, think again.

Starting a jumpseat war is just going to create animosity and lower the professionalism of this career yet another notch. Not to mention, even if the proposed blacklisting tactic succeeds by preventing one pilot group from flying the contested feed, there will always be a lower bidder willing to step up. Neither that nor a jumpseat war is an intelligent or mature solution. Intelligent negotiation and strategy is the only way to solve the scope problem, not intimidation and friendly fire.

 

See ME in the courts? Haha! You know I'm a FURLOUGHED United pilot right? I have as much influence on the CAL side as you do, considering I'm on the UAL side, and I'm furloughed. I have good friends a CAL, and I know how high the emotions are running over there. If you think blacklists are something new, then I don't know what to tell ya. I'm guessing you are from Skywest and are not remotely aware of how a unionized airline is run with regards to the hiring. Never burn bridges in the airline world, because you never know how it will affect your career. I have no easy solution, but Chip has put his own employees at risk for the bottom line. It doesn't feel good to be thrown under the bus, I should know.