Any pilot - regardless of what airline you fly for - is welcome on my airplane jumpseat or in the cabin. Our fellow pilots are not the enemy. Taking your contract frustrations out on pilots from other airlines only hurts the wrong people. The management of our airlines are to blame for this mess, let's remember that.

 

...but you see, its waaaaaaaay easier to say "No jumpseats or mainline jobs for you!" on an internet message board that it is to, you know, unify the pilot group into exerting (legal or illegal) pressure on management to not do something they plan on doing by use of the parking brake.

Besides, perhaps I've missed it on one of the previous 13 pages of this thread, but aren't United & Continental the same company now (albeit still operating separately)? I know CAL pilots don't want anything over 50 seats flying around despite that ship having long since sailed at UAL...but at what point would management shifting UAL 70 seaters into former CAL hubs be "okay" within the merged company?

 

Hey pal. I posted here how this merger was going to happen two weeks ago. CAL has found a way around CAL scope. Exactly as it is unfolding. CAL management is going to transfer flying to UAL and UAL is going to fly the 70 seater's on the routes.

It amazes me how dumb pilots are when they think they have management in a corner. You folks better start thinking out of the box, management does.

Blacklist, maybe you should wonder on what list some of those CAL pilots are on. Dont forget the true story and history of CAL. Union brotherhood is solid as long as it does not effect the other, once it does forget solidarity.

ALPA because it was loosing dues allowed CAL back into ALPA. Why dont you ask yourself, why it was removed from ALPA. Next time you want to talk about blacklist, check CAL's.

Want to talk about how unionized airline, ALPA represented TWA, EAL, PAN AM, etc; you really want to go down that road. I personally do not like why you are furloughed, but that is the reality of the airline industry.

IAH and EWR are going to see a larger amount of flying done by 70+ seater's. The new UAL will be run like US Airways. One holding company, one board, two certificates and CAL side will domestically be reduced via the retirement of the 737. Flying transfered to UAL side and passed on to the feeder of 70 seat aircraft. UAL board and stockholders very happy because this will increase the return on there investment and increase the stock price.

 

It has nothing to do with thinking outside the box. The RLA SEVERELY restricts labors' ability to act as a check and balance against management. To add to the problem is the court system is VERY anti labor. So where is the relief valve? The problem is there currently isn't one. The word hemorrhage comes to mind. If management is able to knowingly trample existing contracts, what are CAL pilots to do? Everyone is saying the CAL/UAL pilots need to deal directly with management. How will that occur if there are no available vehicles to stop what management is doing? The new UAL management as well as Skywest management are both using scorched earth policies. Why? Because historically, they have been able to. Who or what is going to stop them? CAL pilots filed an emergency order to stop what is happening. Will the judge determine that it is in fact an emergency in a Texas court system? My guess is no, and the attack on the contract will continue for some time.

Instead of telling CAL pilots to "take it up with management", how about understanding the forces at work here and show some empathy to the CAL guys that worked hard to keep scope just to have it illegally circumvented. Among all of us pilots, there will be no winners in this.

 

you work at gojets, right?

 

757Driver.... Very serious question, and one that I would ask you if you allowed me in your jumpseat to discuss this adult to adult in a reasonable fashion if I ever ran into you. (ps I'd also discuss it in my jump as well, because you're always welcome in a skywest jump.)

Put yourself in a junior skywest pilots shoes... he's been displaced to IAH, and his schedule has him flying into and out of IAH. What would you have him do? Quit? Refuse the work, and be fired? I'm not sure what you expect of us, because it seems like you think we have some power in this situation.

I myself am not junior enough to be displaced to IAH and won't have to do any of the flying in question, but I'm afraid that's not the case for a good number of pilots at SkyWest who will be FORCED into flying the routes.
You'll deny them a seat to get back home, see their wife and kids all because you don't like what your CEO has decided to do with RJ route structure. I agree, they ******* on your contract, please go to court over it, and I'll cheer your victory.

But I again ask that you give them a reasonable option that won't get them fired.

 

he feels powerless at what his company is doing to him, so he wants to feel powerful somehow. taking it out on people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the decision is the only power he has, so he wants to exercise it. it's not rational, it's emotional.

 

This whole thread is an example of why all flying needs to be scoped back to mainline.

 

Like I said previously, the only "power" I supposedly have as the PIC is to deny anyone going to IAH to violate my contract a ride. Hopefully that will create a cancellation and if it happens enough, management might want to revisit their decision.

This is all conjecture at this time as our Union is actively involved in stopping this flying from occurring.

I'd be happy to discuss it with you in the terminal, but unfortunately you wouldn't be riding on the aircraft.

 

Power is a relative thing. I would take no joy in denying someone the Jumpseat but as of right now it's the only tool I possess

It's a very rational response to a very valid threat.