Skywest opens IAH base
11-07-2010 | 08:56 AM
#141
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Like I said previously, the only "power" I supposedly have as the PIC is to deny anyone going to IAH to violate my contract a ride. Hopefully that will create a cancellation and if it happens enough, management might want to revisit their decision.
This is all conjecture at this time as our Union is actively involved in stopping this flying from occurring.
I'd be happy to discuss it with you in the terminal, but unfortunately you wouldn't be riding on. the aircraft.
This is all conjecture at this time as our Union is actively involved in stopping this flying from occurring.
I'd be happy to discuss it with you in the terminal, but unfortunately you wouldn't be riding on. the aircraft.
Also you completely failed to answer the question.... What do you expect any of us (read skywest RJ pilots) to do about it?
11-07-2010 | 09:02 AM
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What if they're attempting to leave IAH for home, to me that's far more egregious, and you denying that jumpseat only prevents him from getting home, it doesn't cancel a flight, or even delay one. All it does is delay a pilots ability to be where he'd rather be. If anything if he can't get home, he's more likely to go pick up a JRM trip created because someone else can't get there.
Also you completely failed to answer the question.... What do you expect any of us (read skywest RJ pilots) to do about it?
Also you completely failed to answer the question.... What do you expect any of us (read skywest RJ pilots) to do about it?
Commuting in or out of IAH makes you fair game, sorry.
11-07-2010 | 09:11 AM
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11-07-2010 | 09:15 AM
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Let me ask you this, if the new UAL decided that your 767 would look really nice on the ORD-LHR route, should all the UAL guys deny every CAL guy?
So your answer is I should send a letter to management... fantastic, they say, your opinion is noted, but were still doing it, and you're still displaced. What do I do now?
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11-07-2010 | 09:59 AM
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You guys would be screaming from the rooftops if your contract was violated and XYZ airline came to town.
11-07-2010 | 10:06 AM
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Your contract is between you, and your management. It is impossible for a 3rd party (SKW pilots) to violate your contract. Your management violated your contract. Maybe the better option would be to kick off any CAL or UAL management type (non-rev or company business) riding in the cabin. I guess that doesn't have quite the same ring of denying those SKW "scabs violating your contract" so you probably won't do that.
11-07-2010 | 10:32 AM
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Guys 757driver is entitled to his opinion and to eventually exercise his right to deny a js. If that day comes whoever is denied will need to go through the appropriate channels to get the issue resolved or at least made it aware to mgnt of what is happening.
Today the flying hasn't even started and writing a letter of what pontentially might happen to mgnt will only flag you at skywest and make you a pontential target.
757driver the message we have sent to mgnt so far has been through the standing bids or lack there of for IAH. You will do what you have to and our captains at skywest will they think is fit and we will see this play out. I am glad to hear that the CAL union is working on getting this stopped. Hopefully all this bantering will be a mute point.
Today the flying hasn't even started and writing a letter of what pontentially might happen to mgnt will only flag you at skywest and make you a pontential target.
757driver the message we have sent to mgnt so far has been through the standing bids or lack there of for IAH. You will do what you have to and our captains at skywest will they think is fit and we will see this play out. I am glad to hear that the CAL union is working on getting this stopped. Hopefully all this bantering will be a mute point.
11-07-2010 | 10:49 AM
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Apples and Oranges. We all fly for the same holding company, you do not. The most appalling thing about this thread is the lack of regard to our contract and the only questions being asked are "how will it effect me and my commute"?
You guys would be screaming from the rooftops if your contract was violated and XYZ airline came to town.
You guys would be screaming from the rooftops if your contract was violated and XYZ airline came to town.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you're seperate airlines with seperate contracts, and should continue to operate completely seperately until a JCBA is reached, or UAL is free to determine the block hours of any regional contract at their discretion under the new UAL banner.
*I again reiterate that I agree that new UAL is violating the spirit of their contract with CAL ALPA, and I will cheer your victory in court. However your decision to deny a SkyWest jumpseater for any reason regardless of reason for travel, or direction of travel is the wrong decision for everyone involved.*
11-07-2010 | 11:30 AM
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Have there been contract workers from both Freedom A and gojets that have gotten through the cracks? Sure. Would you want to gamble your career by being on a list? Probably not. That being said, the way some folks are talking here, it would appear that they are more than happy to spend the rest of their careers flying a 70+ seat aircraft for 50 seat pay and not protections at a regional.
11-07-2010 | 11:36 AM
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*I again reiterate that I agree that new UAL is violating the spirit of their contract with CAL ALPA, and I will cheer your victory in court. However your decision to deny a SkyWest jumpseater for any reason regardless of reason for travel, or direction of travel is the wrong decision for everyone involved.*
You know, after thinking about it, I'm not so sure the contract IS being violated. UAL does indeed own CAL now, and that means they are free to do whatever they want within the realm of their business model. They could technically close IAH I guess. They can do whatever they want. UAL has a crappy scope clause, unlike CAL. But CAL was just bought out - so there's going to be some changes made. Gee 757driver, what are you going to do now?
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