IF. Otherwise, just watch. I don't have much faith that we can bargain for an honest IMPROVEMENT by going to Dual Qual.

This coming with PBS will mean NOTHING...

I want to know what it is the pilot group will get by going to dual qual. And sure, it better be a damn industry leading dual qual language - but I wouldn't expect that. Not with us trying to help the company out with the great myth of "Growth" being tossed around - once again...

Synergies...blah. I want to build this pilot group, not stagnant a whole bunch of folks on reserve for another 2.5 years.

It will allow us to have fewer pilots per block hour, how will that help your new found QOL?

Are you kidding me right now? How much kool-aid have they been shoving up your nose? PBS is a cancer, you need to research exactly everything that comes with it.

No I'm not kidding because I was talking about dual qual, not PBS. More trips/lines to choose from = more schedule flexibility = better QOL.

I personally like the IPA model. Since the ERJ pay rate is only about $1 less than the CRJ900 rate, a pre-concessionary ERJ rate plus X% on top of that for raises every year the XJT contract amendable date passes starting this Dec 1, would be a significant raise for all aircraft types.

I would be surprised if XJT pilots vote for anything that is a further concession after already taking paycuts and now being owned by a company with three quarters of a billion in the bank. This includes PBS and anything else that wouldn't be industry leading since overall the XJT contract is already industry leading.

Please explain how dual qual will result in fewer pilots per block hour

There are inefficiencies in keeping two lists, ie the small percentage of extra pilots required to keep each list of reserves per aircraft. With only one aircraft type and one list the overall number of pilots can be reduced. So you really think the company would maintain the same number of pilots and not take advantage of the efficiency? Hmmm, same number of block hours, fewer pilots to cover it all. You're stuck thinking that the same number of pilots will cover the flying and give you the added benefit of more choices.

In theory, this does make sense for us to help reduce the inefficiencies and increase profitability. The problem is, the pilots are the ones giving up pay to do this. You'll be paid less to perform more in the name of a magical improvement to QOL. The problem is with a leaner workforce to perform the same flying you will not have the flexibility to take advantage of more choices.

Aircraft pay has almost always been tied to the number of seats, why give that up for a unquantifiable improvement to a subjective criteria? It goes back to my original point, why not just have all pilots rated to fly the left and right seat, swap them out as needed with no protection from each seat pay rate. It would offer the most for the company. It would also offer you the most choices. Oh, as for us getting a higher than current 700 rate to do this, fat chance! The company will want the override system, it allows them to reset the base rate to the lower value, that's where the real savings come in. If we're going to give it up, lets really give it up so that we have the best QoL possible. :rolleyes:

Good.

Trust me, from all indications, none of us on the ASA side want to do anything that MAY even be close to a concession considering that we are (or were...) about to head into Section six later next year.

We're looking for contract improvements (just as the XJT pilot group is after), not anything that looks remotely like the status quo or concessionary considering the overall increase in economic stability and economic growth potential coming out of a recession. Time is now to lock in some wonderful work rules, QOL enhancements, and pay rates to cover us the next 3-5 years.

If you have a blended rate then you aren't giving up pay. On an individual basis then some pilots will make less but as a whole the company is still paying out the same amount of money.

Wrong. The blended rate allows the company to pay out vacation, sick time and cancellation at the lower rate. The company saves the pay differential on those things for 500 pilots. You need to read up a little, you're seriously mis-informed.