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RamenNoodles 11-18-2010 03:35 AM

ASA/XJT JCBA: No Dual Qual!
 
Good morning ASA/XJTers,

A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!

I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!

My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual

Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!

gtechpilot 11-18-2010 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 903062)
Good morning ASA/XJTers,

A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!

I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!

My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual

Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!

Personally, I agree with all of the above, except I don't have a problem with blended rates or Dual (triple?) qualification. Overall compensation does not have to be reduced and quality of life can be increased because the company can more easily mix up the schedules. Especially if we can use it as a tool to procure strong scheduling language, I'm all for it!

Otherwise, we definitely need to enhance scope, I'd love XJT's sick policy and the contract had better not include 'to the best of the company's ability' or any semblance there-of!

oldcarpilot 11-18-2010 04:43 AM

Dual qual isn't bad if all the credits are based on the higher paying AC. Skywest's, I believe, is all based off the lower paying aircraft.

SayAgain 11-18-2010 05:09 AM

What is Xjet's sick policy? The last Xjet js'er we had said they needed a dr's note everytime they called in sick. I do not like ASA's draconian occurence policy. To add to the list:

- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.

Trip7 11-18-2010 05:20 AM

We need to have dual qual. Separate lists are very inefficient. No other airline in the industry has separate lists for the 200/700/900. Even Jazz in Canada has their pilots fly all three. The pilot group has to be reasonable here. As long as the pilot group is reasonably compensated by management:D

Jetlinker 11-18-2010 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by SayAgain (Post 903103)
What is Xjet's sick policy? The last Xjet js'er we had said they needed a dr's note everytime they called in sick. I do not like ASA's draconian occurence policy. To add to the list:

- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.

You don't have to provide a doctor's note, however, if you do it is not counted as an occurrence. You're allowed 3 sick calls a year without a doctor's note. On the 4th, you get the nastygram in your v-file, on the 5th, a carpet dance, and the 6th a termination hearing.

Your sick bank accrues 5 hrs. a month....which MUST be preserved in the JCBA.

boosh 11-18-2010 05:56 AM

Take a look at the Jazz payrates, dual qual doesn't seem to be a problem with getting a reasonable wage.

CRJDriver 11-18-2010 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 903107)
No other airline in the industry has separate lists for the 200/700/900.

Comair, Mesaba, Pinnacle don't have dual Qual.


Originally Posted by boosh (Post 903126)
Take a look at the Jazz payrates, dual qual doesn't seem to be a problem with getting a reasonable wage.

Those figures are in Canadian Dollars, but yes, the pay is significantly more than what US regional's pay their FOs when you do the conversion.

1st year - US $39
2nd year - US $44
3rd year - US $51

It would be nice to see that kind of pay or get close to that kind of pay. Some of the others things I'd like to see down here in the US that Jazz was able to do...

Minimum days off: Lineholders: 14; Reserve: 12
Overtime: 150% pay over 85 hours/mo


I think it'll remain a dream unfortunately...

afterburn81 11-18-2010 06:10 AM

Having specific qualifications is leverage on part of the pilot group and the company would really benefit if we gave it up. It's plain and simple. The company can potentially generate more revenue using a CR9 with first class than using a CR2. If they want to level the crew costs, the pilot group MUST see a substantial benefit as a whole. That is totally reasonable. Remember, "give them an inch and the will take ten feet". We need to unify and bargain for items that benefit the pilot group as a whole.

In my eyes, reserve pilot and first officer language needs to be spruced up. Any pilot hired from now on is going to spend a great deal of time on reserve and even longer as a first officer. Upgrade time will most likely become quite lengthy given the size of the pilot group.

rickair7777 11-18-2010 06:14 AM

You guys will want Dual Qual. It greatly enhances YOUR schedule flexibility and QOL. Of course you should have appropriate rates for each aircraft, with a blended rate used ONLY for vacation, training, etc. It also makes your company more efficient, just in case anyone plans on sticking around for the long-term.

It's not a safety problem IMO. Airbus and B75/76 drivers have been doing this for longer than we have...

But watch out for super-senior types...they will want no DQ so they can lock in the best rate for themselves, and apply it to all non-flight pay as well. Leaving junior folks to suck it up on a disproportionally lower rate on the 200 of course.


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