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johnso29 11-18-2010 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903196)
And before you all get spooled up, I know for a fact that our MEC puts exactly zero weight on message board posts when making decisions. So the only valid place to discuss this and have your opinion counted is in the survey or directly with the reps.

Captain Tony is right guys. Do the survey, talk to your Reps. Let your voices be heard.

Trip7 11-18-2010 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903193)
I don't think that pilots who have never flown the -700/900 should have their opinion counted as to whether we should fly both. Unless you've done it, you have nothing to base that opinion on except selfish financial or schedule motivation, and most 700 pilots will tell you they don't ever want to fly the 200 again!

How about this: get senior enough to bid it instead of trying to steal seniority/pay from the ones already on it?

I've flown the 700/900 and now on the 200 making more money with increased qol due to me having better seniority of the 200.

The 700 is a much much better flying airplane but the 200 has much more variety due to the greater number of destinations and UAL flying. If in the JCBA contract we get a blended payrate that is higher than current 700/900 pay in return for dual qual I don't even think the senior guys will want to pass that up.

somertime32 11-18-2010 07:38 AM

here are a few things I suggested in the survey in no particular order:

1) a no furlough clause
2) no movement of off days at all
3) ready reserve reduced to 6 or 4 hours, 8 is just too long!
4) ability to use sick time as paid personal time, for example.....I would like next Thursday off so I schedule 3.75 of sick time to get the day off if staffing looks good. It then comes out of my sick bank and doesn't count against my attendance.
5) better pay

that is just a few things

Captain Tony 11-18-2010 07:48 AM

How about incorporating the newly proposed FAA work rules into our contract since they can't seem to get them passed?

Particularly 8 hours behind the door and limits on duty day, INCLUDING deadhead! You XJETers may not know this, but ASA has been "creatively interpreting" the regs to not apply to anything other than flight duty to the Whitlow 16 hour limit. Actual quote from Scheduling: "We can deadhead you around for two days if we want to". Welcome to the party guys.

gtechpilot 11-18-2010 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 903203)
I've flown the 700/900 and now on the 200 making more money with increased qol due to me having better seniority of the 200.

The 700 is a much much better flying airplane but the 200 has much more variety due to the greater number of destinations and UAL flying. If in the JCBA contract we get a blended payrate that is higher than current 700/900 pay in return for dual qual I don't even think the senior guys will want to pass that up.

Apparently FO opinions don't count! :) Very nicely put reply!

Captain Tony 11-18-2010 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by gtechpilot (Post 903217)
Apparently FO opinions don't count!

How do you come to that conclusion? And what did your statement really contribute to the conversation other than the self gratification of cheering for someone who told off someone you don't like?

Captain Tony 11-18-2010 07:59 AM

Here's another nice tidbit to discuss: the question about forcing senior lineholders onto reserve to "relieve" those stuck on long term reserve?

gtechpilot 11-18-2010 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903193)
I don't think that pilots who have never flown the -700/900 should have their opinion counted as to whether we should fly both. Unless you've done it, you have nothing to base that opinion on except selfish financial or schedule motivation, and most 700 pilots will tell you they don't ever want to fly the 200 again!

How about this: get senior enough to bid it instead of trying to steal seniority/pay from the ones already on it?

In my observation, this is an attitude more prevalent among ASA 700 captains and some of the more senior 700 FOs. Personally, I see this as an easy way to make gains for the pilot contract while giving the company greater flexibility so that it can be more competitive.


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903196)
And before you all get spooled up, I know for a fact that our MEC puts exactly zero weight on message board posts when making decisions. So the only valid place to discuss this and have your opinion counted is in the survey or directly with the reps.

It's a discussion board and that's what we're doing! Maybe minds will change here, maybe not, but if you don't want to be part of the discussion, why post?


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903221)
How do you come to that conclusion? And what did your statement really contribute to the conversation other than the self gratification of cheering for someone who told off someone you don't like?

I'm guessing I don't take message boards as seriously as you. But for someone who was not/is not contributing much either, you're awful preachy!

Likely we'll fly together at some point and no doubt it'll be fun, so try not to be too offended by my internet flippancy. :)

gtechpilot 11-18-2010 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903222)
Here's another nice tidbit to discuss: the question about forcing senior lineholders onto reserve to "relieve" those stuck on long term reserve?

It would be nice to see incentives built into the reserve system that might entice the more senior pilots to bid reserve occasionally. I've heard that Airtran has a decent system where reserve guys can end up crediting quite a bit more on reserve than while holding a line. I'm not a fan of walking away from the seniority system, but it would be nice to provide some relief for the guys who have been stuck on reserve for 3+ years.

Bwatz 11-18-2010 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 903222)
Here's another nice tidbit to discuss: the question about forcing senior lineholders onto reserve to "relieve" those stuck on long term reserve?

I don't support it. I spent 3 years on reserve at ASA (during the really bad times) and took a ton of abuse from scheduling. I just got off of reserve. Seniority is seniority.

The reserve rules are ridiculous... Plain and simple. Some of the guys at ASA spent zero time on reserve and never experienced what it has become. And the ones that spent some time on reserve didn't get the great experience of sitting Ready reserve 8 hours and then given a 4 day trip that starts two hours after your RR assignment should have ended... (10 hour sit) I have a feeling that the reserve rules will not be changed much in the the next contract.. I am sure we will just get a 30 year pay scale instead...


Now,it would be amusing to hear some of the senior captains deal with scheduling while on reserve. Those conversations would be comical.


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