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Old 11-29-2010 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Many airline instructors are not CFI's, 121 allows this for 121 only...they cannot do part 61 endorsements or flight training. If he happens to be a CFI, they are often reluctant to sign your logbook for part 61 purposes due to liability concerns..
Well, there's one nuance different from what I've been doing. The instructors are not airline employees (well, actually some are, just not from my airline) and I suspect must be CFI's.

Also, I have never had a log book signed. Just the signed form letter than hand out (for $10,000 worth of airline paid recurrent training). That's all I hand to the flying club, and they seem happy. I think I'm legal
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Old 11-30-2010 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Well, there's one nuance different from what I've been doing. The instructors are not airline employees (well, actually some are, just not from my airline) and I suspect must be CFI's.

Also, I have never had a log book signed. Just the signed form letter than hand out (for $10,000 worth of airline paid recurrent training). That's all I hand to the flying club, and they seem happy. I think I'm legal
They are probably overawed by the airline thing. If you went out of the grace period (1 year) the only way you can become legally current is to get an IPC (it must be specifically documented as such) or do a military or 121 (maybe 135?) PC.

A 121 PIC can (and often do) use their 121 PC's for 61 currency. 91 folks are probably not aware of the regulatory distinction between PIC and SIC.

The reason I keep pushing this is because if you apply to a US airline and have a bunch of GA in your logbook they will probably inquire about the lack of IPC/FR.

Does your letter say anything that flags the training as SIC-specific?
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Old 11-30-2010 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SLOPILOT
What is frightening to me is the thought of a non-current part 61 pilot being put into the right seat of an airliner carrying paying passengers after whatever relatively brief training that Skywest puts them through. Our modern air transportation system in a nutshell.
You really have no idea of what a new hire 121 pilot goes through in initial training. Hmm... Private Pilot?
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Old 11-30-2010 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Does your letter say anything that flags the training as SIC-specific?

I don't think so. I'll go look now. The last recurrent I did from the left seat anyway. Plus, we do them every six months.

Ok, just looked. These are the boxes on the form that are NOT checked are:

"SIC 61.55"
"BFR 61.56"
"instrument Competency Check 61.57"


The box that is checked is "Proficiency Check 61.58".

Box 28 of the form has checked "Three Takeoffs and Landings (Required for ATP, Landing Cert., and Recent Experience)"
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