Hmmm, really?

Let's take a look:

Assume a 9L CA currently on the 3-4 rate. His pay would be lower by 0.84, 1.82, 2.80, 3.53, 3.47, so over the life of the contract that is $11,214 minimum, flat guarantee (roughly 2000/year) or 3+%. That is pretty close to the 401k match for the same period.

Lower for a while? Lower for five years PLUS all the negotiation period after the contract ends.

I would have had no problem giving the Mesaba Saab guys some kind of signing bonus (they did bring a bunch to the table). But it should be a one time thing. Five years from now, rather than the bonus being a distant memory, the lower scale will be just as insulting.

And just a thought, which pay scale do you think management will base future contracts on? Heck, I guess it doesn't matter since everyone will be flying the 900 or working for a mainline.

 

This is not a 9L rate. This is the new Mesaba rate. So yes they will use the rate in future negotiations. Let them use the rate, it's still well above industry average. That money was funneled elsewhere in the contract and the only reason there was a grandfather rate was because otherwise current Mesaba Saab pilots would have taken a paycut.

Not to mention the fact that you will have the ability to bid several other pieces of equipment to rid yourself of this rate.

I don't agree with it but from my understanding this was a move that needed to be made at the 11th hour to strike a deal, and CJC still ends up with huge raises.

 

Agreed. Plus remember that those grandfathered MSA pilots will be soon displaced and moving to other aircraft and the old grandfathered rate dies. Or there will be a select few who get to move to LGA and fly with the grandfathered rate.

 

You have every right to vote no.

I'm not getting any raise if it makes you feel better.

 

And why is it ok to step backwards in pay???

Anyone(colgan, pinnacle, or mesaba) who has an opportunity to upgrade into a saab will be looking at lower salary than is currently in your future. That is not a win.

 

Well I think we solved the fence issues on the Saab. With the pay rates so low on the Saab nobody would want it so now upgrades will only go to Colgan FO's

 

I wouldn't count on that, everyone is very aware that PIC is gold.

 

Bartok, you are aware that a "" means sarcasm? Right?

They can have my Saab seat when I go fly the RJ

 

You are looking at this strictly on payrates, and the Mesaba successorship scope clause.

How familiar are you with the current Mesaba contract? The one that you would rather merge with. PBS solutions, vacation, and insurance are all areas I've been told are impoved in the JCBA from the current MSA.

Not to mention the biggest gain - eliminating the whipsaw.

 

Sorry man, not real good with smilies, I usually get the sarcasm anyway, must be the vodka.......