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jdoggins 05-13-2011 07:37 PM
there are quite a few guys on this forum that need to find a girlfriend.

AxialFlow 05-13-2011 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by summitrider (Post 993199)
to axialflow, in saying that integrated crews are going to be a problem, now whos acting like a 4 year old, if you are truely a professional you will figure out that safety is more important than petty bickering
It's naive to think it won't happen. Company wide? No. Isolated cases? Sure.

FlyJSH 05-14-2011 12:07 AM
Thank goodness it has gone to the arbitrator. I doubt he can find a more unequitable solution than the Pinnacle proposal.

FlyJSH 05-14-2011 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 993098)
All true words.

Instead of getting twisted around the axle on SLI propositions which will converge on the absurd, prepare yourselves for the award which will be a sticking arbitration (deal with it like adults vs. the usair types who continue to act like 4 year olds).

The list that comes out is a legal and binding interpretation... everyone will likely be duely ****ed off.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

On the other hand, just how long should I be angry at the guy that knocked up my wife?

djrogs03 05-14-2011 07:54 AM
Originally Posted by cleared2land (Post 993414)
The Arb in the integration with Frontier took the view of if not for Republic, Frountier would be gone. They got HOSED!
I wouldnt think the same applies here...neither XJ or 9L were in bankruptcy, and both have airframes (I.e. 900 and Q400) that are desirable right now to mainline, so both were technically in a somewhat stable longterm situations. Delta sold XJ to Corp without any choice in the matter, considering OO wanted to purchase XJ... same with Compass...F9 had a option to be bought by SWA...Not to mention two different unions...I don't see any similarities

ebl14 05-14-2011 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 993544)
I wouldnt think the same applies here...neither XJ or 9L were in bankruptcy, and both have airframes (I.e. 900 and Q400) that are desirable right now to mainline, so both were technically in a somewhat stable longterm situations. Delta sold XJ to Corp without any choice in the matter, considering OO wanted to purchase XJ... same with Compass...F9 had a option to be bought by SWA...Not to mention two different unions...I don't see any similarities
So would you say it is fair to only take pilots that could bid and hold the 900 and Q400 if they were the only aircraft at XJ and 9L and blend those pilots with the pilots at 9E? Using your logic, only those pilots were in a stable longterm situation.

shimmydamp 05-14-2011 09:24 AM
Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 993559)
So would you say it is fair to only take pilots that could bid and hold the 900 and Q400 if they were the only aircraft at XJ and 9L and blend those pilots with the pilots at 9E? Using your logic, only those pilots were in a stable longterm situation.
Using his logic, none of the -200's at 9E would be stable either.

jayray2 05-14-2011 10:39 AM
Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 993561)
Using his logic, none of the -200's at 9E would be stable either.
Shhh. Don't let the cat out of the bag. You don't want to wake too many people up from their fairy tale dream world.

higney85 05-14-2011 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 993590)
Shhh. Don't let the cat out of the bag. You don't want to wake too many people up from their fairy tale dream world.
Newest -200's under contract til 2017 while other flying is either on a "month to month" basis or a chopping block. While I agree that the -900's and the Q are "more stable" I wouldn't call the 9E -200 flying unsecured at this point. With RFP's in 2013-2015 and then the 2017 expiration/renewal nothing is "long term" in this industry. Glass half full.

djrogs03 05-14-2011 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 993559)
So would you say it is fair to only take pilots that could bid and hold the 900 and Q400 if they were the only aircraft at XJ and 9L and blend those pilots with the pilots at 9E? Using your logic, only those pilots were in a stable longterm situation.
Now boys and girls don't spin my words, I was simply stating why this merger is different than F9 and Republic. I'm willing to put money that the 200's are the least profitable airplane in the fleet. Not saying it isn't a stable aircraft, but my guess is it will be the first to go...

I'm not basing anything with SLI off what airplanes we have or how many, it just seems a lot of the 9E folk like to talk about career progression in terms of what aircraft we have...I must respectfully disagree, things change daily


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