I can't think of one regional pilot group that jumped up and down and said. "Hey, lets steal a bunch of scope from those mainline guys and do it for really cheap, and then maybe someday we will all make it to a major." Nope, it doesn't happen. As much as guys don't like to hear it, Mainline sold scope, and that is that. Sure, maybe they had a gun to their head and where forced to do it, but why should the new regional pilot then be the one to have a sense of righteousness and not take a job paying low wages? We all want to move on, and you can't do that without 121 time.
Regional unions are focused on making their qol as best as it can be, not stealing jobs, because we all know it is a place that many will end up staying at.
Regional unions are focused on making their qol as best as it can be, not stealing jobs, because we all know it is a place that many will end up staying at.
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It's always somebody else's fault.....Originally Posted by dosbo
When I was hired prior to the age 65 deal I had reasonable expectations. .
lemme guess...you also blame those greedy 60-65 year old guys who were flying at your airline 30 years before you were for "stealing your job" by not retiring at 60 and making way for you...
Unless you have been living in a cave for the last 10 years the only "reasonable expectations" for anyone in this industry are furlough once or twice, slashed wages and retirement, mergers, and SLI nightmares.
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lemme guess...you also blame those greedy 60-65 year old guys who were flying at your airline 30 years before you were for "stealing your job" by not retiring at 60 and making way for you...
Unless you have been living in a cave for the last 10 years the only "reasonable expectations" for anyone in this industry are furlough once or twice, slashed wages and retirement, mergers, and SLI nightmares.
With the age 65 passing it was estimated that no furloughs would be required, then oil went nuts due to speculators giving management an excuse to park the 737's.Originally Posted by IBPilot
It's always somebody else's fault.....lemme guess...you also blame those greedy 60-65 year old guys who were flying at your airline 30 years before you were for "stealing your job" by not retiring at 60 and making way for you...
Unless you have been living in a cave for the last 10 years the only "reasonable expectations" for anyone in this industry are furlough once or twice, slashed wages and retirement, mergers, and SLI nightmares.
Mostly I blame the management team that parked the entire fleet of 737's because they were to expensive to operate, according to them. Seems there are many other airlines that don't have problems operating 737's. But as I said as long as there are pilots willing to fly for substandard wages then management will do whatever they can to outsource to the lower cost even if it means losing control of the product.
As I said before there is plenty of blame to share with many different groups for the current state of this industry. This thread started regarding Republic so I shared my views on that particular part of the problem.
Ultimately it is all my fault for believing this would be a good career when I was looking at payscales and QOL back in the 1997 time frame. I did my due diligence and thought it worth the investment in time and money. Then the rules began changing. Any one looking at the industry today and looking to get into it for a professional career is just nuts.
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Mostly I blame the management team that parked the entire fleet of 737's because they were to expensive to operate, according to them. Seems there are many other airlines that don't have problems operating 737's. But as I said as long as there are pilots willing to fly for substandard wages then management will do whatever they can to outsource to the lower cost even if it means losing control of the product.
As I said before there is plenty of blame to share with many different groups for the current state of this industry. This thread started regarding Republic so I shared my views on that particular part of the problem.
Ultimately it is all my fault for believing this would be a good career when I was looking at payscales and QOL back in the 1997 time frame. I did my due diligence and thought it worth the investment in time and money. Then the rules began changing. Any one looking at the industry today and looking to get into it for a professional career is just nuts.
Originally Posted by dosbo
With the age 65 passing it was estimated that no furloughs would be required, then oil went nuts due to speculators giving management an excuse to park the 737's.Mostly I blame the management team that parked the entire fleet of 737's because they were to expensive to operate, according to them. Seems there are many other airlines that don't have problems operating 737's. But as I said as long as there are pilots willing to fly for substandard wages then management will do whatever they can to outsource to the lower cost even if it means losing control of the product.
As I said before there is plenty of blame to share with many different groups for the current state of this industry. This thread started regarding Republic so I shared my views on that particular part of the problem.
Ultimately it is all my fault for believing this would be a good career when I was looking at payscales and QOL back in the 1997 time frame. I did my due diligence and thought it worth the investment in time and money. Then the rules began changing. Any one looking at the industry today and looking to get into it for a professional career is just nuts.
Let me translate that bold part...
"I know United management went to United pilots and offered them money to outsource more flying to the regionals. I know United pilots agreed to relax scope and give jet flying away at the expense of future United pilots and I know I am one of those future United pilots now feeling the effects of those United pilots who have profited on my current financial pain...but I still blame regional pilots.
That's right, if every single regional would just decide to all quit on one day and not go to work unless they flew a prop plane with 19 or fewer seats then the mistakes of my companies pilots would be fixed. Why won't you fix our mistakes?"
You do realise it's not going to happen and it's your companies fault for the situation you're in, right?
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Nope, not from me...Originally Posted by dosbo
You are right mainline does need to fix scope which I hope the JCBA does. And if the scope does get improved or fixed resulting in a loss of regional jobs, can I assume there will be no bit&^%$ing about the loss of regional jobs.
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Pilots like yourself at republic are the reason many dislike your group. Notice I was defending your airline after all... Can't force the blind or ignorant to see the obvious at times I guess.Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
What a stupid comment Meyers. Of course you're not a "rah supporter", you work for PSA. Who are you a "supporter" of? What a strange comment.
Wait wait wait, hold on here... Republic, never even heard of them!
Rumor has it, they want to be the next legacy! You heard it here first!
ROTFL! Till next time, seeeeeeya!
Rumor has it, they want to be the next legacy! You heard it here first!
ROTFL! Till next time, seeeeeeya!
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My understanding is RAH is moving 8 175s from Frontier to Delta and putting 8 new 190 on Frontier.Originally Posted by Sambo1
We used to think Mesa was bad....Republic is now one of the lowest paid airlines per fleet, the union is a HUGE joke now who can't even get a senority list, and now the airline is canceling lots of flight due to lack of crew. I was told that they tried to get 26 for a new hire class but only got 15 to take the job. Hold on thought, Bedford finally figured out that he is getting his ass handed to him so he is moving 8 airplane from Frontier back to us here at Delta. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm so sick of this false argument... People are supposed to give two tears for you because YOU don't think their salary is lofty enough? Give me a break. Originally Posted by dosbo
But as I said as long as there are pilots willing to fly for substandard wages.
The pharmacist at my local grocery store makes $90k. The one at the hospital makes $130k. You don't hear those guys moaning about getting undercut when the hospital pharmacy cut jobs.
Everyone wants more money. If the regional pays enough for that guy then who are you to belittle him? We are not entitled to anything. working together is the only way to raise the wages we all want.
Respect.
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I like this analogy.Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
The pharmacist at my local grocery store makes $90k. The one at the hospital makes $130k. You don't hear those guys moaning about getting undercut when the hospital pharmacy cut jobs.
