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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)

If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

Gotta love the flaming newbies, especially the ones that just walked into a mature decent contract and never had to fight for one. It's funny that you are knocking my airline, because I quit yours '98 because the pay there was HORRIBLE (13.96/hr and WE PAID MORE THAN YOURS so I came here. Do a little history lesson and realize there is no "better than yours." It goes in cycles, when you get a few hundred more hours and years in this industry you will see that. How many XJET guys are slam clickers when they fly with you?

Oh the irony...I am currently making $2/hr more than my CA counterpart at XJT, and come DEC it will be $6/hr more and cheaper health insurance and I didn't have to waste money commuting or moving....care to explain that one kimosabe?

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Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 953171)

Some of the "company" guys got a bit spooled up over the bonus because it involved money. While I don't appreciate some of the personal issues that caused, but I understand the gripe. Call me a "Company" guy, if you can work out some positive space tickets from MEM-DTW-MEM that would be great too....

I'll give you my buddy passes!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:;)

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)

Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?

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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953560)

Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?

Or maybe it says the Union did a good deal of selling it. I've talked to very few people that thought it was a good contract. I have talked to a lot of people that were afraid for their jobs and voted yes. This contract is not industry leading, it is average, it did not raise the industry at the top, it just lifted two carriers up to average.

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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953560)

Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?

no you and I just voted it in at all costs so we could get that quick upgrade...

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Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 920245)

Yeah, sure, you'd vote no on a contract that gives you (in Mesaba's case) higher pay rates, whipsaw/fragmentation protection, better work rules and benefits all around, job security and an actual chance at an upgrade in two years (verses a possible job loss). I'm sure you would vote no.

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Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 953564)

Why the change of heart? Just curious personally I don't care how anyone voted for themseles.

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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 953294)

This would be original if it were not coming from an express jet FO. It has been said before, many times over. The express jet/colgan debate has been going strong for a few years now.

So we can avoid your post being construed as pure flamebait I would be open to hear your thoughts on a few subjects.

-What have you specifically done to improve this industry other than getting hired at express jet under a contract that was negotiated prior to your arrival?

-Under the Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba new JCBA, which points in particular do you feel bring down the industry as a whole?

Just trying to keep this on topic since the Colgan bottom feeder comments are as common place as the PFT threads and go jet inquiries. Id be interested in hearing your points.

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 895717)

I'm asking for higher priority. When the people get on my plane they are getting on Continental flight xxxx. Why is that I shouldnt have equal nonrev benefits? And for that matter pay, contract, and seniority at said airline. The second you agree that you shouldnt have the same board priority as a mainline employee is the second you agree that you are not as important as them. When you get left behind because the mainline ramper that just got hired last week beat you on you are saying that he is more important than you. I would say that you or I have much more invested in that mainline carrier than said ramper. WAKE UP!

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 896362)

to all the people giving me crap: If you work at mainline I beg beg beg you to bring the flying back to mainline and put me out of work. The sad part about this industry is that in an effort to reach my end goal of working at a major airline and having all the perks that come along with that goal I have to be apart of the problem that brings down the future of that position. The military is an option instead of the RJ but lets be honest, once you go military these days you are going military for life.

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)

Qots, I threw USMC-SGT's post in ther so you can answer it here and look intelligent since you ran away from it on the other threrad. I posted your other threads to show how hypoctitical you are....telling mainline pilots to take back their flying and that regionals shouldn't exist but then you go and get a job at one for 22K a year :rolleyes:

But then you when the mainline guys aren't looking you tell the world how you have the same job they do so you should get the same nonrev priority on THEIR airplanes as they do.

So tell me how much you have made so far in your first year there and what you have that makes your crappy regional better than our crappy regional?

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Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 953564)

I don't think it's industry leading either, I like ASA's contract and this one is not better than theirs but it is equal to it in a number of ways. Sometimes the differences between the 2 has to do with whether you are junior or senior to how much either contract helps you.

It is not average by any respect, it brought Pinnacle and Colgan up to the top standards for a regional.

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Originally Posted by mooney (Post 953571)

Why the change of heart? Just curious personally I don't care how anyone voted for themseles.

oh come on mooney. you know who it is. once the contract passes we have the "dont blame me I voted no" crowd. they are the same people who voted yes but act like they voted no so they can be cool.

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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953280)

You bought us, that's funny.

I love how people are so tied to their companies when it suits them and bashing them when they feel like it.

Hypocrites

Really, so then who bought you? Maybe I missed the memo but I do not remember seeing a press release saying that we were given Mesaba or Colgan. Purchase is a pretty good word and as far as I'm concerned its pretty cut and dry.