Pinnacle / Colgan Seniority List
03-06-2011 | 10:56 AM
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Welcome to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. | Located in Memphis, Tenn.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E.
Two different companies.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E.
Two different companies.
03-06-2011 | 11:36 AM
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Welcome to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. | Located in Memphis, Tenn.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E.
Two different companies.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E.
Two different companies.
You mean 2 companies at the same address with the same people in command? That got their income from the same source?
03-06-2011 | 11:52 AM
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Yes, they are two distinct different companies under US law. It's the same setup Delta has with Comair and had with Compass and XJ. We were banned from filing a PID to force an integration because under law we were not eligible to be Delta pilots. Management chooses how they want to operate these companies together, not the union or the pilots. In our case they chose to operate us a 2 different companies under one contract and one list. Neither company has an advantage over any other. That's why most likely the arbitrator will integrate the three lists by relative seniority.
03-06-2011 | 11:58 AM
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Yes, they are two distinct different companies under US law. It's the same setup Delta has with Comair and had with Compass and XJ. We were banned from filing a PID to force an integration because under law we were not eligible to be Delta pilots. Management chooses how they want to operate these companies together, not the union or the pilots. In our case they chose to operate us a 2 different companies under one contract and one list. Neither company has an advantage over any other. That's why most likely the arbitrator will integrate the three lists by relative seniority.
03-06-2011 | 12:19 PM
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Delta and Comair relationship is nowhere close to 9e/9l/Corp. relationship......Delta didn't really "buy" Comair for the sole purpose of outsourcing cheaper and getting around scope to the degree Pinnacle Corp did....let's also not forget that 9e was "wholly owned" by NWA till they sold them and got the sham "Pinnacle Corp" piece of paper...
03-06-2011 | 03:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure Comair was formed to get around the Delta pilot's scope contract. Since, 9e and 9l are operating under a single joint contract with a pending SLI, I don't think 9l was purchased to get around the scope language of the pinnacle pilots. Colgan has never operated as NW airlink or for Delta.
03-06-2011 | 04:06 PM
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Yes, they are two distinct different companies under US law. It's the same setup Delta has with Comair and had with Compass and XJ. We were banned from filing a PID to force an integration because under law we were not eligible to be Delta pilots. Management chooses how they want to operate these companies together, not the union or the pilots. In our case they chose to operate us a 2 different companies under one contract and one list. Neither company has an advantage over any other. That's why most likely the arbitrator will integrate the three lists by relative seniority.
03-06-2011 | 08:28 PM
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Yes, it was around the end of 2006, wasn’t it?
If memory serves me correctly your MEC was negotiating to combine the two lists at one point.
It has everything to do with it; a violation of scope would be if Colgan started operating flights under the pinnacle ASAs with either Delta or NWA. There has never been an incident where Colgan was using Q400s or Saabs on NWA or Delta coded flights.
9l with NO contract and 9e on a 3 year expired contract with no talk of Mesaba in sight? or even talk of a joint Pinnacle/Colgan contract? If what you said about 9L is true we would not have been negotiating SEPARATE contracts until XJ came along....we would have been negotiating a 9e/9l contract...and the only reason we have a 3 way contract, much less a 2 way, is so that pinnacle management could transfer the XJ equipment. Without that management would have LOVED 3 separate contracts and associated whipsaw.
It has everything to do with it; a violation of scope would be if Colgan started operating flights under the pinnacle ASAs with either Delta or NWA. There has never been an incident where Colgan was using Q400s or Saabs on NWA or Delta coded flights.
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