[QUOTE=yodafly;999402]From a Colgan Pilot view, Pinnacles staple proposal all but guaranties our votes will be for either a Colgan Rep or Mesaba rep.[/QUOTES]

So your 'ok' with Mesaba's DOH? Thats just as much a staple for Colgan too!!

edit: Just so you know I would be all for DOH!!!

 

[QUOTE=CAPTAINPCL;999540]Obviously, it isn't my first choice, but Yes, I would be "okay" with it. And it is NO WHERE NEAR as much of a staple as the 9E plan.

 

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Not even close to a staple. But even if it was, their proposal made sense and was arguably fair where as PCL's was a blatant attempt at a screw job.

 

The PCL merger committee has been tasked with a single job- protect 9E pilots' seniority. The fact that everyone seems the most livid about it would indicate they are indeed doing that. Not a jab, but look at it from another perspective.

 

What happened to 'Fair and Equitable'? Not that I disagree with them standing up for 9E seniority, just sayin...

 

Using that same logic.....
9L's proposal would have been 9L first, the rest after that
and XJ's proposal would have been XJ first, the rest after that

Those seem pretty childish.... or down right rude, don't you think?

 

"fair" is the DOH issue, "equitable" is for each group. Remember each merger committee is supposed to be autonomous of each MEC. If everyone disagrees with the other side(s), it's obviously more "equitable" for one. I don't feel XJ or CJC brought "equitable" and don't think "fair" is a word in play with the dispute. Am I angry about that? NO because they are representing THEIR pilots. If we have groups happy with another group's proposal there are pilots being hurt to help others within the groups. This is why we have an arbitrator and it was selected and agreed upon to begin with. It's a known quantity that 2 groups won't agree, much less 3.

 

I don't know what to tell you guys. What DMEarc posted turned out to be true. There were errors with the seniority list that PCL submitted to the arbitrator recently. Errors that were blamed on HR. The same HR that the CJC Merger Committee most likely had to deal with, yet no such errors on its list were found. Or was it that the checkride seniority/DOH issue was finally properly corrected? I can't keep track of what the excuse was anymore.

Either way, I guess it doesn't matter, because you don't need to have accurate DOH data when you are proposing stapling another group to the bottom.

If you think my opinion is being influenced by an outside source, so be it. But you might want to pull the wool from your eyes before you roll them at me.

 

I disagree with your thoughts on fair and equitable. Equitable for only one group cancels out fair. This is supposed to be fair and eqitable for all three groups. The whole idea is to find a solution that everyone can live with. The all or nothing attitude may be looking out for Pinnacle pilots, but it sends out bad messages to the other two groups. I feel that your MEC is pouring fuel on an already hot fire by essentially saying they don't want things to be fair and equitable for everyone. In the end I hope that this anger doesn't make it to the flight deck

 

Two points:

#1 - Pinnacle MEC/LEC(s) have *nothing* to do with the "SLI proposal" that our union put out - it was decided that the Merger Committee would have autonomy and be sequestered while they decided how best to "integrate" or "protect" the Pinnacle pilots. Their method was not something that my reps or I "voted" for.

#2 - Has *any* SLI ever been completed without going to an arbitrator? Perhaps the Committee decided that the best course of action would be to negotiate via 3rd party instead of "compromise". Right or wrong, they wanted it to go to Bloch. Can I lose because of this? Yes, but maybe it's easier than having 9 guys argue in a room trying to determine who gets what?

If the anger makes it to the flight deck, I will wonder why these folks slipped through the cracks and got hired at a place like Mesaba, or Pinnacle, or Colgan, because professionalism and pettiness don't go hand in hand. Do you discuss abortion with your other crewmember in flight? Probably not.