Say again? Nobody was stapled, and no one (except top, top XJ guys) made out like fat cats.

I do not believe I have "hundreds of more senior XJ FOs" stapled to the list below me.

I would love to see our list with each individual pilot's DOH. Until then, I cannot tell who is reallly screwed. Keep in mind, if you are a XJ FO who is number 200 on the Mesaba list, you are considered the first category for purposes of the list award. It doesn't matter what your physical seat is today, you still fall on the award where your number is. For example, the first 272 XJ pilots are in the first category, and that is the first 272 XJ pilots on the XJ list, regardless of what seat/position they actually hold. It goes from XJ DOH #1 to #272. If you were a XJ FO, number 200 on the XJ seniority list, you are in category 1 of this award. The next group, group two, has the next 88 Mesaba pilots on the list, regardless of seat/position.

Let me ask this, the first 2xxx XJ pilot is number 2001, a "M1800." Care to share what the DOH was for this XJ pilot? What base, seat, and equipment is this individual on?

 

I agree that all FOs should have been grouped together but you can not even come close to saying that 9E FOS made out well.

Because Pinnacle is maxed out on guranteed CA spots they will see their next 12 200 vacancies and 7 900 vacancies go to Mesaba so that Mesaba can meet the mins After those minimums are met both MSA and PCL should be at their min required CA slots on jets so that the next vacancies on those aircraft will be for anyone who can hold it, here is how it is bad for PCL FO.....

Look at the list and you will see the Group 3 Saab 340 list is made of mainly 200 CAs, Colgan SF34 CAs and Q CAs. When the vacancies are opened on the 200s it will be in seniority order as I said above. This means that Group 3 will have first opportunity to move to a 200 before Group 4 (Jet FOs) have a chance. If a Colgan pilot, say a Q CA in group 3, takes the 200, he will have his Q seat replaced not by a group 4 guy but another Group 3 guy or it will drop to a Colgan Group 5 FO since Colgan is under the minimum Q spots and will have first opportuity to bid on it.

As long as PCL remains over the CA slot requirements, their FOs in Group 4 will see prop guys in Group 3 have first choice of their 200 vacancies and if they take it, that prop seat will be replaced by another prop guy.

Here is another issue....

As Mesaba continues to return Saabs those senior CA's will be displaced and per the JCBA will be able to go to whatever equiptment their seniority can hold, so most likely a CRJ 200 or 900. If the company does not decide to just absorb the added staffing due to the displacements they can decide to displace the most junior pilot from that seat, which would most likely be a new 200 CA at PCL. And since PCL is over their minimum limit, it is permitted to be displaced from the 200 seat because this displacement was not caused by the SLI but a reduction. Now the displaced 9E junior CA will have nowhere to go but the right seat of an RJ because Colgan is under the CA seat limit so there can not be any PCL or MSA displacements in those planes and that pilot is probable too junior to hold a MSA CA spot.

 

I understand how the decision works, it is a ratio based on category and class. You don't need to explain it to me. Your most junior FO is right around: 2253 P1452, there are 250 XJ FOs behind that spot on the list that got stapled and every single one of those FO's are more senior than at least 2119 P17825.

 

This is my only concern.

 

If I was a junior Captain in your position I would be concerned as well. Hopefully the company absorbs the displacements or attrition will balance out the displacements.

 

I don't know te DOH of the Mesaba pilots, but I highly doubt that the above is accurate. I am junior to P17825 by about 2 weeks and I was hired March 2008. I find it hard to believe that 250 XJ FO's were hired after that date.

 

Let me give you some perspective.

I am a 2001 XJ hire.

I have the same bidding power as a 9E guy that is going to upgrade on the NEXT captain vacancy!

 

In the 2000's numbers, the first XJ pilot is M1800. What is his/her Mesaba DOH?

 

He's a DTW Saab FO, sept 07.

 

The 250 XJ FOs were hired BEFORE that date. The last few were hired right about the same time as you, were not furloughed, and are hundreds below you. What are you doubting?