1500 hours / ATP for Part 121 rule?
06-23-2011, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You have a grand total of one year of 121 time between you, and neither of you has shot an approach in icing.
06-23-2011, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
...they had a policy that I'd have to serve a winter in YIP flying in the right seat before the type ride. No fixed total time or time in type, just "a winter." Probably not a bad idea.
She wanted to see a EWR winter before upgrading, but most of her newhire class wanted to upgrade ASAP instead of dealing with that inconvienience.
06-23-2011, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You have a grand total of one year of 121 time between you, and neither of you has shot an approach in icing.
Last edited by Bellanca; 06-23-2011 at 09:12 PM. Reason: fixing grammar before the grammar nazis attack
06-24-2011, 02:06 PM
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So going from a 172->182->RJ is going to be difficult because you haven't flown in ice?
Get off your high horse.
During my brief stint at an Regional, we had a %50 pass rate. Most of the CFI hero's passed, and some former RJ bubba's failed. (in case you are wondering, I passed)
Flying two crew RJ/Airline environment isn't that hard.
Get off your high horse.
During my brief stint at an Regional, we had a %50 pass rate. Most of the CFI hero's passed, and some former RJ bubba's failed. (in case you are wondering, I passed)
Flying two crew RJ/Airline environment isn't that hard.
06-24-2011, 05:36 PM
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Just wanna put my .02 cents.
As a 121 captain, I've flown with 400-500 hours guys, and guys with over 2000hrs. I know it's not a scientific study but the higher time guys fly much better ( generally speaking) than the low timers. We are constantly learning. I personally know that I am a better pilot now than when I first got hired and hope I will be better as I keep flying. Does a higher total time mean you are a better pilot? It might not be the perfect measuring stick put it's a good start. A pilot that comes from a good training program with 500hrs will hopefully be a better pilot at 1500hrs. Just my .02 cents.
As a 121 captain, I've flown with 400-500 hours guys, and guys with over 2000hrs. I know it's not a scientific study but the higher time guys fly much better ( generally speaking) than the low timers. We are constantly learning. I personally know that I am a better pilot now than when I first got hired and hope I will be better as I keep flying. Does a higher total time mean you are a better pilot? It might not be the perfect measuring stick put it's a good start. A pilot that comes from a good training program with 500hrs will hopefully be a better pilot at 1500hrs. Just my .02 cents.
06-24-2011, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bellanca
Instructing and other time-building jobs that will get people to the 1500hr/atp mark won't help much with icing experience, since almost all of the aircraft those people will be flying aren't certified to fly into known icing, and a vast majority of their flying will be VFR in good weather.
I would hate to learn about flight levels, congested airspace, icing, automation, CRM, complex taxi instructions, RNAV departures, and have an emergency all in the same week.
All of those things combined would tend to overwhelm a 1500-hour new-hire, let alone a 300-hour new-hire with a 1500-hour Captain who has never flown in snow.
06-24-2011, 06:52 PM
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Raise the pay of new-hire regional pilots to $60k a year, and have regional captains start at $100k a year, and watch the experience flow into regional ranks like you wouldn't believe.
It would literally render this entire debate irrelevant and regionals would have all the experienced guys they'd want.
It would literally render this entire debate irrelevant and regionals would have all the experienced guys they'd want.
06-24-2011, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
True, but they may make better Captains if they are hired at 1500 than if they upgrade at 1500.
I would hate to learn about flight levels, congested airspace, icing, automation, CRM, complex taxi instructions, RNAV departures, and have an emergency all in the same week.
All of those things combined would tend to overwhelm a 1500-hour new-hire, let alone a 300-hour new-hire with a 1500-hour Captain who has never flown in snow.
I would hate to learn about flight levels, congested airspace, icing, automation, CRM, complex taxi instructions, RNAV departures, and have an emergency all in the same week.
All of those things combined would tend to overwhelm a 1500-hour new-hire, let alone a 300-hour new-hire with a 1500-hour Captain who has never flown in snow.
I agree that a 300 hour FO is too low time, just my opinion is that they don't necessarily have to be an ATP to be a good enough pilot to sit in the right seat.
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