Official: Eagle to be divested
07-21-2011 | 11:43 AM
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I should have clearer, DL has lots of 70 seaters, poor sentence structure on my part. Still, the economic attraction of regional airlines, flying anything from 70 seats to, even 110 seats is going to be hard for airline managements to resist. There are several planes (E190, C-series, etc) on the drawing board which only make sense if they can be crewed at RJ wages, either they fail as designs, the mainline contracts carve out a pay rate for them or agree the mainline unions change the scope clauses.
As to "unions not budging", well I've been in this rodeo since before B-scale, they'll budge, take that to the bank. Here's an example, when I was working on my private, a local airline captain (UAL) bragged the job paid a "Cadilliac a month", which in 1968 was true. And Captains lived in Greenwich, CT or LaJolla, CA. Far from true today.
GF
As to "unions not budging", well I've been in this rodeo since before B-scale, they'll budge, take that to the bank. Here's an example, when I was working on my private, a local airline captain (UAL) bragged the job paid a "Cadilliac a month", which in 1968 was true. And Captains lived in Greenwich, CT or LaJolla, CA. Far from true today.
GF
Also, the C-Series can seat 130-150 people. Many Legacy/Major airlines operate that size aircraft profitably today. The C-Series does not only make sense if operated by a regional. Neither does the E190. JetBlue operates them for decent wages, & Delta has a pay rate for them as well.
07-21-2011 | 01:33 PM
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True enough, johnso29, but it shows where the pilot's profession has gone, both in terms of pay and status. Don't need to remind me of the differences--I went thru deregulation at Eastern under the "moon man" Borman and Lorenzo.
Grew up in CT surrounded by airline pilots, solo'd on my 16th in '68, I've seen all the changes and hated everyone.
It wasn't easy then, either--many pilot strikes, layoffs seasonally, upgrades took years. Few airlines had consistent profits then, either.
GF
Grew up in CT surrounded by airline pilots, solo'd on my 16th in '68, I've seen all the changes and hated everyone.
It wasn't easy then, either--many pilot strikes, layoffs seasonally, upgrades took years. Few airlines had consistent profits then, either.
GF
07-22-2011 | 06:19 AM
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07-24-2011 | 01:52 PM
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True enough, johnso29, but it shows where the pilot's profession has gone, both in terms of pay and status. Don't need to remind me of the differences--I went thru deregulation at Eastern under the "moon man" Borman and Lorenzo.
Grew up in CT surrounded by airline pilots, solo'd on my 16th in '68, I've seen all the changes and hated everyone.
It wasn't easy then, either--many pilot strikes, layoffs seasonally, upgrades took years. Few airlines had consistent profits then, either.
GF
Grew up in CT surrounded by airline pilots, solo'd on my 16th in '68, I've seen all the changes and hated everyone.
It wasn't easy then, either--many pilot strikes, layoffs seasonally, upgrades took years. Few airlines had consistent profits then, either.
GF
07-25-2011 | 11:24 AM
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Ouch man, aviation consultant Boyd throwing eagle under the bus!
"The reality is the last player standing is going to be probably SkyWest because they've got the market cornered," Boyd said. "Eagle has no value elsewhere in the industry."
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"The reality is the last player standing is going to be probably SkyWest because they've got the market cornered," Boyd said. "Eagle has no value elsewhere in the industry."
Read more: Analysts have doubts about Eagle's viability | Airlines and Aviation | Dallas Business, ...
07-25-2011 | 05:51 PM
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Correct, it should read "every one of the changes". Not bitter at all, I've done a load of things that I have loved in aviation, love my present job, being in Hawaii with a day off, for example. Just none of it was in the airline side which has, relative to the the whole industry, declined markedly. When PATCO went out, the controllers wanted airline pay, well, they got it 20 years later. In the 80's, everybody derided SWA pay and conditions, they are the top of the heap because everybody else fell. Guys I work with in corporates are deferring recall to AA because pay and conditions are better here; in the USAFR, I had two AA 75/76 captains taking mil leave, because the take home pay (admittedly with some tax-free pay) was better than AA's pay. Th airline terms and conditions have been brought down to the point where it is just another choice for pilots, not the pinnacle it once was.
GF
Correct, it should read "every one of the changes". Not bitter at all, I've done a load of things that I have loved in aviation, love my present job, being in Hawaii with a day off, for example. Just none of it was in the airline side which has, relative to the the whole industry, declined markedly. When PATCO went out, the controllers wanted airline pay, well, they got it 20 years later. In the 80's, everybody derided SWA pay and conditions, they are the top of the heap because everybody else fell. Guys I work with in corporates are deferring recall to AA because pay and conditions are better here; in the USAFR, I had two AA 75/76 captains taking mil leave, because the take home pay (admittedly with some tax-free pay) was better than AA's pay. Th airline terms and conditions have been brought down to the point where it is just another choice for pilots, not the pinnacle it once was.
GF
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