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Old 10-29-2011 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I can't believe the notion that a federal arbitrator wanted to punish even the most arrogant few SLI negotiators at PCL by punishing the entire pilot group. I honestly believe he did not see this outcome.
I too dont think that he would "punish" an entire group just because he does not like the merger committee. As you said, he is a professional arbitrator and I am sure worse have stood in front of him.

Still, it comes down to making your argument in front of the judge and you better sell it if you want him to buy it. It is clear that Bloch did not "buy" what the Pinnacle committee was selling. The "staple job" probably wasn't the best approach to take and because that strategy failed it prevented Bloch from hearing another angle from the PCL side.


I honestly do not see how Bloch could have not gone with DOH if PCL would have went with the MSA proposal for DOH, 2200 pilots vs 450 pilots. Again, it seems that the PCL strategy was flawed with wanting to battle against MSA instead of working together
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Old 10-29-2011 | 08:00 PM
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No matter what happens the Colgan pilots always are going to get the blame for everything bad. First, join ALPA or you guys suck....Second work toward a single contract or you guys really suck...Third, demand to have an integrated seniority list or you guys suck even more...Now, if you won't admit that the airlines woes are Colgan Air pilot's fault then you might as well quit and let us have all your routes, slots and airplanes. This kind of rhetoric has been going on since January 21st 2007, and ultimately it is petty, whiny, immature and just plain stupid on those that perpetuate it those ill informed or just plain stupid enough to buy into it. This is not flamebait...on the contrary, it is the SOLE opinion of one pilot that is just tired of listening to everything from union to 3407 fallout.
In the final analysis this merger and integration is and will continue to be a painful process for many of us. The time has really come to stop the corporate bias and angst being generated by a few. The time has truly come to stop looking overour shoulders, blaming each other and get on with the business of WORK. There are no guaratees in life, sorry to break the bad news to you...So, keep blaming the hapless Colgan pilots flying your shiny jet to some crappy little town near you in the not too distant future...
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Old 10-30-2011 | 01:31 AM
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What did colgan bring to the table? Not the Q400, Pinnacle pilots low wages over the last 6 years bought them. Colgan joined the group with an airline loosing money; even today they are dragging the company down.
I just wish someone would call us a Bottom Feeder again. i miss the good old days.
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Old 10-30-2011 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 4jobs
What did colgan bring to the table? Not the Q400, Pinnacle pilots low wages over the last 6 years bought them. Colgan joined the group with an airline loosing money; even today they are dragging the company down.
I brought a Saab, a lunch kit, overnight bag and two uniforms. What did u bring? Ur making me worried I forgot something.....
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Old 10-30-2011 | 07:33 AM
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Old 10-30-2011 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 4jobs
What did colgan bring to the table? Not the Q400, Pinnacle pilots low wages over the last 6 years bought them. Colgan joined the group with an airline loosing money; even today they are dragging the company down.
I was going to bring a potato salad...but with that attitude you can forget it, Mister!
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Old 10-30-2011 | 08:47 AM
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I will say that if indeed in the next 6 months or so a good number new Q's are added to the fleet, having the growth available to all three pilots groups will really help smooth things over with the whole Colgan winning the lottery thing. Yeah they may have gained at our expense, but with new Q's the tables would be turned, the quotas obliterated, and everything can move forward on a strictly seniority basis.
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Old 10-30-2011 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I will say that if indeed in the next 6 months or so a good number new Q's are added to the fleet, having the growth available to all three pilots groups will really help smooth things over with the whole Colgan winning the lottery thing. Yeah they may have gained at our expense, but with new Q's the tables would be turned, the quotas obliterated, and everything can move forward on a strictly seniority basis.
I hope we don't get more Q's we can't operate the ones we have for crap as it is. And more 70 seat planes at The regionals a BAD thing.

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Old 10-30-2011 | 10:17 AM
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thats the word we hear at colgan, no new planes or flying till we can maintain the ones we have now (scheduling 20-30 turn times dont help when you break something either)
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Old 10-30-2011 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
thats the word we hear at colgan, no new planes or flying till we can maintain the ones we have now (scheduling 20-30 turn times dont help when you break something either)
So don't break it ... Or just Write it up back at the hub. Either way, move the rig... That's what y'all r good at right?
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