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Old 09-25-2011 | 08:07 PM
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Old 09-25-2011 | 08:17 PM
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Old 09-25-2011 | 08:47 PM
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Out of sheer curiosity, why were you wrongfully terminated? No implications or motive behind the question as I don't know you from Adam and I wasn't aware of such a trend at Pinnacle.
Old 09-26-2011 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rama04
Even despite discussion pre-ISL that a pilot returning should be inserted one senior to the first pilot junior to him/her on their native list.
Returning from what? FMLA? Mil Leave?

From previous alpa experience a WRONGUL Termination (ie you did nothing wrong) would get you back at your original seniority.

But a termination for cause where there was some sort of misconduct would often get you hired back at a lower (or zero) seniority.

I guess it depends on was your termination thrown out on review, ie reinstatement? You should go back to your original seniority, whatever that's worth in the new company.

If they just hired you back, maybe a different story.
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Old 09-26-2011 | 03:38 AM
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Old 09-26-2011 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jheath
Out of sheer curiosity, why were you wrongfully terminated? No implications or motive behind the question as I don't know you from Adam and I wasn't aware of such a trend at Pinnacle.
Officially: My letter of termination referenced a single missed trip. (highly debatable missed trip- was actually 1 minute late check in)
Unofficially: Pinnacle needed another name to hang & blame their massive cancellations from last summer on (up to 14% certain days due to staffing)

Not that this should matter... Pinnacle bringing me back without an arbitration should speak volumes on how their case looked.
Maybe we should restate the question...

What is in your file that lead up to your termination? Your termination papers say one thing...but we all know that you were not fired for "1 miss trip and checking in 1 minute late".
Old 09-26-2011 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Past V1
Maybe we should restate the question...

What is in your file that lead up to your termination? Your termination papers say one thing...but we all know that you were not fired for "1 miss trip and checking in 1 minute late".
Irrelevant. The fact he was reinstated is the only factor. Does the contract not address this?
Old 09-26-2011 | 05:38 AM
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Agreed.

I'm sick and tired of the company picking and choosing what parts of the contract they want to follow and when they want to follow it.

We have a contract as a whole. We need to use every aspect of it as a whole. If this is covered in the contract then it needs to be dealt with in the manner described.

End of story. Welcome back btw
Old 09-26-2011 | 05:58 AM
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Most agreements contain provisions for appeals and system review boards and such. Key words typically include "exonerated" and "remedies", or "relief" for a pilot reinstated as you state. There may be partial relief depending on your circumstances. If you were completely exonerated, there may be a provision for back pay, benefits, records cleaned, etc., with no loss of seniority or Longevity.

You need to determine your level of "exoneration" and any such provisions available, and of course, contact your representative.
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