Its the damndest thing, I tried to pay my rent with a note that said "love of flying" and my landlord SENT IT BACK and told me to ******* OFF!!! I couldn't believe it...

 

Just because you love it doesn't mean you have to do it for a reduced rate. If you want to give away your piloting skills, do CAP, missionary, or medical flying. That way it's for a good cause ( a manager's or stockholder's bonus is not a "good cause")

 

Sounds ALL too familiar. This is the REAL TRUTH about unions. What my friend finds funny is the the majority of the pilots organizing the union drive at SKYW are so jaded and have NEVER worked for a "union company" before. So, they think it's the way things should be. He also said they leave their union crap all over the cockpits for "OTHERS" to read . . .

 

Have you ever shopped at a Wal-Mart? The line level employess are cowed, gullible, idiots who can barely operate their cash registers and signed up for $8/hr slavery with no end, no path, no advancement in sight other than nights spent stocking shelves under flourescent light. I've personally seen no less than five employees "working together" to accomplish a firearm purchase and they failed, yes, after 45 minutes they handed me back my credit card and said "we can't do it." This is their last resort job, and when management threatens that during an organizing campaign they take the bait hook, line and sinker. Yet all that is beside the point, a comparison between Wal-Mart and the skilled workers at an airline leaves chasms of discrepancies.

 

Aaaaaah, you get it.

Wal-Mart has employees who cannot do their jobs. (They are paid accordingly, $8/hr). What do unions do? They ensure that these $8/hr employees who CANNOT do their jobs, get paid more AND keep their jobs even if these employees do not know how to perform them.

That's what unions do, Cardinal.

You hit the nail right on the head. You get it. Unions protect the weak and inefficient. (Or as you say cowed, gullible, idiots.) You as the customer, have to bear the burden everytime you want to make a transaction.

Wal-Mart is not forced to keep their labor supply. They can get rid of these employees anytime (legally of course . . . not being able to perform the job you were hired to do consitutes legally), but it's obvious that the labor pool that Wal-Mart has to choose from does not include you. If Wal-Mart reduced their labor personnel by 50%, then they could raise everyone's pay to $16/hr. Providing . . . . that these employees could solve your gun purchase problem.

It's easier to justify higher wages IF you can get more productivity out of your workforce. (as pilots we're limited to the amount of production we can work) Airlines are actually constrained by the Federal Government, as to how much pilots can work (As they should be . . .it's a safety issue)

However, many employees want to work LESS (with no fear of being fired) and get paid MORE.

That's what unions do. Protect the weak and inefficient. And as an employee, if you don't like Wal-Mart, go to Target.

 

But Wal-Marts are non union, so these horrible employees are the product of your unfettered, laissez-faire, free market capitalism. NOT us lazy, fat cat unionists.

Who is weak and inefficient, the union SWA/UAL Captain doing his best to preserve his own arse (along with his pax) and get to the gate on-time or the non-union Wal-Mart dumbkopf?

Yes. Including myself. And 299,999,999 other Americans. If i wanted to work like a slave I'd have wielded a shovel and began digging ditches at 16 with a 6th grade education. I made other choices in order to avoid that.

Anyway, returning to the topic at hand, the company men act as though they are going to get poorer/get fired if OO goes union. Though that won't happen, it is exactly what Mr. Atkin and his team want you to think. Confessions of a Union Buster The truth will set you free.

 

Calling ditch diggers slaves? That's pretty arrogant. I hope you don't drive home past a ditch digger tonight. He might have his shovel ready and waiting.

"The truth will set you free?" . . . Free from What? (Are you selling bibles now? ) So will giving everything you have to the church. (It will also make you broke). So, if OO pilot's are NOT going to get poorer OR get fired, THEN why go union in the first place?

It is obvious that you are one of the rank-and-file at SKYW that supports a union. So, why don't you go spill your pro-union/socialist/Karl Marx ideaologies in the crew rooms. Let me know how they are received.

 

Are you high? SWA, UPS and FDX don't offer great pay and benefits because they want to. You think $244/hr just happens? They spend billions because they have to. SWAPA, IPA, ALPA and the unified pilot groups they represent demand it.

Further, SkyWest does not always hire the best because they are "so skilled at hiring" and "offer great pay." My tiny regional loses FO's to SkyWest regularly. Why? Some have legitimate reasons. Yet many leave after failing the upgrade process. They leave because they are scared of upgrade. They leave because they realize they are too lazy/incompetent to upgrade. There are many skilled, professional aviators at SkyWest, and you I salute. But to act like people never slip through the cracks is ridiculous.

Did you read that in a mission statement posted down the hall from your SGU office?

 

Read it off ALPA website.

 

Stooped over, in the hot sun, with an implement in hand, yes that work would be similar to what an American slave performed in the early 1800's.

From the deception put forth by management.

Read the dang post before writing a rebuttal.

Wrong again. I'm a gun-owning, truck-driving, fossil-fuel-burning, Rush-listening conservative. Yet unionization in the airline industry makes work safer and my paycheck bigger, so I make an exception for that. I don't presently work for SkyWest. I am considering a move to SkyWest, but I can't decide whether to make the move right now so I can make my vote count or wait till after the election so I can avoid the place if the Kool-Aid drinkers vote down ALPA.