Age 67 Rule...
01-21-2012 | 03:22 PM
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In 2012, I will hit 8+ years on furlough in the 12 years since being hired by United. I'm not alone in that fate; I'm just fortunate that I didn't get hired at AMR because those furloughees have seen their careers crater even more than United furloughees.
I've done OK financially since being furloughed but there are plenty of others who have had a very tough road to hoe.
I've done OK financially since being furloughed but there are plenty of others who have had a very tough road to hoe.
No kidding. So I guess its time to quit whining about your furlough. You KNEW it was a possibility when you donned an airline uniform. We all did. Unfortunately, YOU got burned. Tough beans. By your own admission, you're doing well financially.
Perhaps its time to let it go.
Every time I read one of you myriad whining posts I am reminded of the old line from Animal House:
"Hey, you messed up. You trusted us."
01-21-2012 | 03:24 PM
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Nobody "benevolently" retires, regardless of industry. It is incentives that make it worthwhile to go before you have to. My own Dad, used to say, "The day they give me a piece of paper with the right numbers on it, is the day I go." That day eventually came, and he promptly did not let the door hit him in the butt.
It's akin to pointing to AMR's retirements in the second half of 2011 and saying, 'see, many pilots are retiring prior to reaching 65'.
Given a choice, many (most) pilots would like to keep drawing paychecks until the day they die while crossing 40W. Safety be damned.
01-21-2012 | 03:26 PM
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Hey Andy,
Did you see the story about the Russian pilot who died on the flight deck this week. Massive heart attack. Age? 44.
Give it up on the "safety" red herring. I guess by your yardstick, people should retire at 44 now.
Did you see the story about the Russian pilot who died on the flight deck this week. Massive heart attack. Age? 44.
Give it up on the "safety" red herring. I guess by your yardstick, people should retire at 44 now.
01-21-2012 | 03:32 PM
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No kidding. So I guess its time to quit whining about your furlough. You KNEW it was a possibility when you donned an airline uniform. We all did. Unfortunately, YOU got burned. Tough beans. By your own admission, you're doing well financially.
Perhaps its time to let it go.
Every time I read one of you myriad whining posts I am reminded of the old line from Animal House:
"Hey, you messed up. You trusted us."
Perhaps its time to let it go.
Every time I read one of you myriad whining posts I am reminded of the old line from Animal House:
"Hey, you messed up. You trusted us."
As for an age change to age 65, I never envisioned it until late 2004. My bad. Heck, it took a couple of weeks for the ramifications of 9/11 to start to sink into my cranium.
01-21-2012 | 03:33 PM
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No; missed that story. I take it you suffer from Benjamin Button syndrome.
01-21-2012 | 04:06 PM
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65 was coming no matter what. However, they implemented at the worst possible time. They could have also have staggered/graduated up to 65 over a longer period of time.
They stopped career progression cold, and in doing so made the profession look even more unattractive for young people. I believe the end result will be cabotage of our domestic market purely because our country's staffing requirements will fall far short of demand.
They stopped career progression cold, and in doing so made the profession look even more unattractive for young people. I believe the end result will be cabotage of our domestic market purely because our country's staffing requirements will fall far short of demand.
01-22-2012 | 01:25 AM
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01-22-2012 | 01:34 AM
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Not that it makes any difference to him but said pilot was riding in the back.
01-22-2012 | 01:37 AM
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Here's a thought: Retire when you feel like it. Live a simple life within your means and squirrel away part of your paycheck everyday for the rest of your life. Depend on no company to guarantee you a handsome retirement check. Flying 'til you die is just greedy unless you have a good reason to push yourself that hard. Always be ready to walk away from a job with nothing but what you've saved and your experience.
01-22-2012 | 06:58 PM
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From: Uncoveraged...
DAL retirements
Well, Here’s the actual retirement numbers for DAL (Sorry, don’t have any numbers for pre-merger.)
2009: 203
2010: 156
2011: 259
Total, 2009 – 2011: 618
(Notes: the 215 that were part of the early first early retirement program were spread between 2009 and 2010. All of the retirements from the second program left in 2011.)
Our Retirement and insurance committee put out some data about a year ago on projected retirements and actual behavior of over age 60 pilots. The projections were that roughly 45% would retire before 65, and 55% would stay until 65. The hard data reflected that. At the time, the oldest pilots were 63, and slightly over 40% of them had already retired or gone on LTD. So, if anything their projections seem a little conservative.
2009: 203
2010: 156
2011: 259
Total, 2009 – 2011: 618
(Notes: the 215 that were part of the early first early retirement program were spread between 2009 and 2010. All of the retirements from the second program left in 2011.)
Our Retirement and insurance committee put out some data about a year ago on projected retirements and actual behavior of over age 60 pilots. The projections were that roughly 45% would retire before 65, and 55% would stay until 65. The hard data reflected that. At the time, the oldest pilots were 63, and slightly over 40% of them had already retired or gone on LTD. So, if anything their projections seem a little conservative.
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