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sticky 03-24-2012 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by aviatormjc (Post 1157060)
RAH pilots have no say for or against whether the pay raise will be implemented because it is a contract issue. And without it being in an LOA, it violates the contract.

it means far more than just that. during mediation, both management and union are required to maintain status quo and not engage methods of self-help. if either party should take actions beyond what is permitted under the amendable contract and imposes new work rules, it will be considered self-help. what happens when self-help is declared, you ask? just watch.


Originally Posted by aviatormjc (Post 1157060)
Applicants should look at the whole picture and not just first year pay.

correct. the picture is so ugly here, they would have to offer me way more than $30 an hour to come subject myself to what is going to happen at this place.

block30 03-24-2012 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1157122)
it means far more than just that. during mediation, both management and union are required to maintain status quo and not engage methods of self-help. if either party should take actions beyond what is permitted under the amendable contract and imposes new work rules, it will be considered self-help. what happens when self-help is declared, you ask? just watch.


correct. the picture is so ugly here, they would have to offer me way more than $30 an hour to come subject myself to what is going to happen at this place.

Hey, how is your effort to stop people from applying working? Honest question, just curious. You can PM if you want.

It's kind of funny, someone can say "Do NOT under ANY circumstances apply at ABC Air!". And invariably, the next post you get is "Can somone walk my resume in at ABC Air?". :D

MachJ 03-24-2012 09:10 AM

Nice job with the RAHcontractnow site. I've sent it to several friends considering RAH. Stay strong, stay united. Good luck guys!

flysooner9 03-24-2012 10:54 AM

What's the junior bases over there?

sticky 03-24-2012 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 1157294)
What's the junior bases over there?

LOL...it doesnt really matter what it is today because it may close just as quickly as all the others. in just 2011, GRR=closed..MKE=closed.

sticky 03-24-2012 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1157147)
Hey, how is your effort to stop people from applying working? Honest question, just curious. You can PM if you want.

It's kind of funny, someone can say "Do NOT under ANY circumstances apply at ABC Air!". And invariably, the next post you get is "Can somone walk my resume in at ABC Air?". :D

all indications it is having an effect on management. has it impacted new hire numbers?...dunno, management would never let that be know.

just to clarify, no one is saying "DO NOT APPLY HERE"....we're saying "know the facts and how difficult the day-to-day the entire operation is". if a new hire appears on the line, they will be meet with welcome and as much assistance as they need.

sticky 03-24-2012 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by MachJ (Post 1157239)
Nice job with the RAHcontractnow site. I've sent it to several friends considering RAH. Stay strong, stay united. Good luck guys!

thank you!

Speed Breaker 03-25-2012 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by SD3Dog (Post 1157011)
I'll say again. The point is, do yourself and us a favor and DON"T come here right now. It does suck as bad as they say. Wait for the new contract. Don't fall for the "so called" raise that may or may not be required to be returned if the union and pilots have their way. We don't want a sham raise without a real contract and a legal raise that includes many things including "soft money" and work rules! Help us as pilots help all pilots. Help by staying away for a while. After a contract you will be welcomed aboard with open arms!

Can you explain a bit for me? I have been considering applying to RAH on and off again for a while. I have been looking at others too, but am getting to a point where I need to get a job. I am trying to figure out what is going on over there. I hear a lot of rumbling, but no honest tellings.

block30 03-25-2012 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1157385)
all indications it is having an effect on management. has it impacted new hire numbers?...dunno, management would never let that be know.

just to clarify, no one is saying "DO NOT APPLY HERE"....we're saying "know the facts and how difficult the day-to-day the entire operation is". if a new hire appears on the line, they will be meet with welcome and as much assistance as they need.

Yeah, your chief hope is people come in AFTER the new contract right? I should also add I was being tongue in cheek...not trying to be a Richard. Everyone is trying to make job opportunities happen.

Bolo 03-25-2012 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1157122)
it means far more than just that. during mediation, both management and union are required to maintain status quo and not engage methods of self-help. if either party should take actions beyond what is permitted under the amendable contract and imposes new work rules, it will be considered self-help. what happens when self-help is declared, you ask? just watch.


correct. the picture is so ugly here, they would have to offer me way more than $30 an hour to come subject myself to what is going to happen at this place.

Stinky, Talking a big game. Way more than $30 an hour? You will get more but not way more than $30. Now that we got that straight where are you going?


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