AMR to trim Eagle costs $75 million, 600 cuts
03-22-2012, 10:53 AM
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Sounds like Eagle is being primed to ease their scope to allow bigger RJs. So goes Eagle, so goes the rest of industry. Anyone who thinks flying is going back to mainline, I'd like to hear reasonable arguments, but I just don't see that happening. Mgt holds the cards, they like cheap labor, RJs will get bigger 
PS The old line of "We're taking it back to mainline YEAAARGH!" (think Howard Dean) does not count unless backed up by actions steps. I get so tired of regional pilots get ripped on by mainline pilots, but with no real plan of action to change anything.
PS The old line of "We're taking it back to mainline YEAAARGH!" (think Howard Dean) does not count unless backed up by actions steps. I get so tired of regional pilots get ripped on by mainline pilots, but with no real plan of action to change anything.
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03-22-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
Doesn't really matter, they are not in the business of selling tickets, they are in the business of providing small aircraft lift for AA.
Selling tickets is AA's business.
If AA wanted AE to get paid a portion of ticket revenue they would be more than capable to change their contract with AE.
Selling tickets is AA's business.
If AA wanted AE to get paid a portion of ticket revenue they would be more than capable to change their contract with AE.
I confirm that they should shove it and pound sand with gravel.
03-22-2012, 01:02 PM
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What blows my mind is that; management are the ones that ran this company to the ground, when it was their job to run a company, but all they want to do is blame the work groups for their mistakes and make us pay for their bad choices. Last time I looked we were doing the job that we were hired for and doing a damn good job at that. I agree "pound sand"
03-25-2012, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
What blows my mind is that; management are the ones that ran this company to the ground, when it was their job to run a company, but all they want to do is blame the work groups for their mistakes and make us pay for their bad choices. Last time I looked we were doing the job that we were hired for and doing a damn good job at that. I agree "pound sand"
Yes, management got you into this mess, but it'll be your union that sells you for 30 pieces of silver. This is going to be the most epic screw over-ing of all time. ALPA is nothing more than human resources for the airlines at this point.
03-25-2012, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
Sounds like Eagle is being primed to ease their scope to allow bigger RJs. So goes Eagle, so goes the rest of industry. Anyone who thinks flying is going back to mainline, I'd like to hear reasonable arguments, but I just don't see that happening. Mgt holds the cards, they like cheap labor, RJs will get bigger
PS The old line of "We're taking it back to mainline YEAAARGH!" (think Howard Dean) does not count unless backed up by actions steps. I get so tired of regional pilots get ripped on by mainline pilots, but with no real plan of action to change anything.
PS The old line of "We're taking it back to mainline YEAAARGH!" (think Howard Dean) does not count unless backed up by actions steps. I get so tired of regional pilots get ripped on by mainline pilots, but with no real plan of action to change anything.
03-25-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
What is your plan to help mainline pilots to change it?
Anecdotally speaking I know of several, for lack of better term, "legacy" children (their parents fly professionally for mainline or FedEx/UPS) and guess what their career path is (each and every one in my experience)? Get to the regionals ASAP and from there make their next career move. So yeah, when I hear mainline pilots sneer at the regionals, offer no *real* solutions-just the usual disdain and hubris, I can't help but say "non-sense!". Sure pilots can avoid individual companies, but to avoid the INDUSTRY? What is the success rate? What is your proposed solution?
Finally, I am not here to argue. I like asking questions, hearing others' points of view. In my original post, I said I am willing to hear reasonable arguments about bringing flying back to mainline. My personal feeling is that the answer so oft comes back as circular reasoning; "We're gonna take the flying back to mainline....because...we are! Yeah! And flying at mainline is awesome! So we're taking it back! Regionals suck!...."
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03-25-2012, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
I don't know what I have the power to do.... it is the mainine pilots' decision whether to ease scope or not (in negotiations) not regional pilots, correct? So are we to avoid the regionals and apply directly to mainline? With a whole bunch of what.....piston time, freight doggin', what? At least one forum member who purports to be mainline has done the whole 'you regional guys are stealing our jobs!'. Only to later say to that a young person really ought to go to the shadiest regional with fastest upgrade time. ???
Anecdotally speaking I know of several, for lack of better term, "legacy" children (their parents fly professionally for mainline or FedEx/UPS) and guess what their career path is (each and every one in my experience)? Get to the regionals ASAP and from there make their next career move. So yeah, when I hear mainline pilots sneer at the regionals, offer no *real* solutions-just the usual disdain and hubris, I can't help but say "non-sense!". Sure pilots can avoid individual companies, but to avoid the INDUSTRY? What is the success rate? What is your proposed solution?
Finally, I am not here to argue. I like asking questions, hearing others' points of view. In my original post, I said I am willing to hear reasonable arguments about bringing flying back to mainline. My personal feeling is that the answer so oft comes back as circular reasoning; "We're gonna take the flying back to mainline....because...we are! Yeah! And flying at mainline is awesome! So we're taking it back! Regionals suck!...."
Anecdotally speaking I know of several, for lack of better term, "legacy" children (their parents fly professionally for mainline or FedEx/UPS) and guess what their career path is (each and every one in my experience)? Get to the regionals ASAP and from there make their next career move. So yeah, when I hear mainline pilots sneer at the regionals, offer no *real* solutions-just the usual disdain and hubris, I can't help but say "non-sense!". Sure pilots can avoid individual companies, but to avoid the INDUSTRY? What is the success rate? What is your proposed solution?
Finally, I am not here to argue. I like asking questions, hearing others' points of view. In my original post, I said I am willing to hear reasonable arguments about bringing flying back to mainline. My personal feeling is that the answer so oft comes back as circular reasoning; "We're gonna take the flying back to mainline....because...we are! Yeah! And flying at mainline is awesome! So we're taking it back! Regionals suck!...."
There is no solution. The reality is that more and more of the domestic market will be flown by regionals and most regional pilots will never make it to a mainline carrier.
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