I had a non-fly acting as CA not call an abort when I said, "my airspeed indicator is not working." I said, "are we going to abort?" He said, "I don't know, are we?" I said, "yes, abort!!!!!". The instructor told me to calm down and relax. Explain this BS.

 

was it a beautiful VFR day close to v1? Expect training procedures in the near future concerning RTO's. Way too many, 9e leads the industry. Stuff like aborts at v1 on contaminated runways for anti skid inop caution or a Gen 1 caution on a clear blue day etc.

Not tryin to bust your balls, since it has been trained that generally we have aborted in the sim for a/s indicator, but expect change like I said so that we aren't so trigger happy to abort. Maybe your non fly thought it was safer to take it into the air rather than abort. What was the wx? you have 2 others. I've had a handful of FO's tell me to abort for a meaningless master warning or master caution. they look at me like a deer in headlights when I continue, until I explain to them why we continued and you see the light bulb go off in their head.

p.s. If I were you I would have not called abort and then the CA would have to shoot the approach for your PC

 

If you had time to ask questions back and forth then you should've aborted. A/s not working is one thing but what if both are working but they're off by 20-30 knots? Then we get into the grey area of either flying too close to stall or overspeeding the flaps or landing overweight and fast.

Why couldn't you call the RTO? Don't tell me captain decides whether you abort or not...

Mooney you must be flying with a lot of brand new 500 hour wonder FOs

 

Well I didn't win the lotto, sorry guys I'm not buying pinnacolaba out of bankruptcy.

 

Actually at the time bomb I was flying with alot.
Are you saying both are off 20-30 kts? Crosscheck with the ISIS to see which one is correct. If one says 100 one says 80 and the other 120 by all means abort if you want to. but personally if it's me and 2 read 120 and one reads zero or 160 or whatever I'm most likely continuing.

And yes CA calls the abort it started about 7 years ago

 

At DAL the CA call's the abort.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I think giving the FO the right to abort would help CA a lot. Knowing that you're the only one that decides whether you abort or not puts added pressure and a tendancy to stay on the safe side and abort. Just reminded me of a study I did years ago on RTOs. Especially if you have a competent FO. This should lower the amount of unnecessary RTOs.

 

I didn't even think about the ISIS. Just thought if two PFDs are 20-30 off from each other, then it would be an interesting approach guessing which speed to follow especially with crappy wx.

 

Even without the isis if you loose all 3 airspeed indicators by some act of God inflight just go flaps 45 on the approach 63 ish % N1 and you'll be within about 5 kts of ref 99% of the time on a 3 degree slope in the -200. Add 1% N1 for every 100 lbs of flight attendant weight.

 

Sorry guys got alot of free time on my hands tonite