The sky is falling at 9E
03-31-2012 | 09:43 AM
#81
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Having an engine failure right at go around is definitely one of the toughest maneuvers we do. You have to be on your game to rapidly spot the condition and keep the aircraft under control. It's hard, but hardly unfair. If I can handle it during my initial newhire training then a captain upgrade with way more experience should be able to deal with it too. Now if it happened that they were never given the opportunity to practice this failure during sims and only saw it for the first time on their checkride, then yeah there'd be an issue. But as far as I'm aware that maneuver is in the syllabus and thus everyone should have had an opportunity to run through that maneuver a few times before being put on the hot seat.
03-31-2012 | 10:25 AM
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A few of the Colgan guys especially have been busted going from a prop to a jet. It will not look good when they apply to a jet carrier and their only failure was them trying to transition to a jet for the first time.
We all know that a transition to a jet is a learning curve and has its differences but the folks I know personally who have failed are great folks and skilled aviators. Something has not added up when listening to the breakdown of their training. While different, the transition should not present much difficulty to the folks who put the effort in.
We all know that a transition to a jet is a learning curve and has its differences but the folks I know personally who have failed are great folks and skilled aviators. Something has not added up when listening to the breakdown of their training. While different, the transition should not present much difficulty to the folks who put the effort in.
How do you explain how these "experience" Colgan regional turboprop pilots are having so much difficulty with jets when a zero to hero ATP grad with nothing more than Seminole time and an RJ course make it through jets with no problem?
03-31-2012 | 10:25 AM
#83
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Having an engine failure right at go around is definitely one of the toughest maneuvers we do. You have to be on your game to rapidly spot the condition and keep the aircraft under control. It's hard, but hardly unfair. If I can handle it during my initial newhire training then a captain upgrade with way more experience should be able to deal with it too. Now if it happened that they were never given the opportunity to practice this failure during sims and only saw it for the first time on their checkride, then yeah there'd be an issue. But as far as I'm aware that maneuver is in the syllabus and thus everyone should have had an opportunity to run through that maneuver a few times before being put on the hot seat.
At mainline, the emphasis is on training- you'd never see that given to you during a jeopardy situation, but you could see it during a training session to help you keep your chops up.
Reason number 858 why outsourcing needs to end...
03-31-2012 | 10:30 AM
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03-31-2012 | 10:46 AM
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This is the main difference between a training department and a checking department.
At mainline, the emphasis is on training- you'd never see that given to you during a jeopardy situation, but you could see it during a training session to help you keep your chops up.
Reason number 858 why outsourcing needs to end...
At mainline, the emphasis is on training- you'd never see that given to you during a jeopardy situation, but you could see it during a training session to help you keep your chops up.
Reason number 858 why outsourcing needs to end...
Having a pilot shoot a CAT II approach, have him see the runway, and call my controls landing. Then, in the flare, taking the runway away, giving an engine failure with fire, and doing a single engine go around. That is unfair for a check ride, that's as close to a dual failure as you can get.
03-31-2012 | 11:02 AM
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03-31-2012 | 11:03 AM
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We all know that a transition to a jet is a learning curve and has its differences but the folks I know personally who have failed are great folks and skilled aviators.
03-31-2012 | 11:16 AM
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We were in DTW on Thursday dealing with a MX issue at the gate (Fenced XJ 200). The mechanic a 20yr Mesaba guy told us they had been told to get the original engines on the correct airframes, XJ USairways Saabs sitting by 21L by Sunday night. Which he said was probably an impossible time line. Those planes have been parked since Xmas I believe. He figures they want them ready to return ASAP after bankruptcy filing. They will use that to break the leases. Anyone else also hear this from MX in DTW??
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