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vtx531 05-08-2012 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1184644)
They are probably only looking at the pay hit. think 5.8% is not much more then 5% they were asking. All of it is crap. Not sure what the worst part is. The loss of min day no pay raise until 2014......? I guess it is all crap.

Don't forget after 2014 it's only 1.5%+ per year. How much is inflation? So we get a net pay cut every year after 2014.

Sniper 05-08-2012 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by PapaMike (Post 1184629)
Whether or not you want to admit to it, there is going to be a large depletion of pilots from the regional carriers and pncl isn't going to want to go so low as to detract from potential new hires down the line.

Pinnacle could lower compensation significantly, and there would still be a line out the door of guys willing to do it. Silver Airways starts FO's @ 19/hr, and there are plenty of guys who will take the job. As Jonathan Ornstein famously said, "As long as I have resumes on my desk, I'm paying you guys too much."

The future requirement for FO's to have an ATP is the only thing that will put a stop to this. Maybe then pilots will place a higher value on their services than current entry-level airline pilots do?

Best of luck to all you guys @ Pinnacle. Getting your contract gutted in bankruptcy is no fun, nor is being attached to a business model (50 seat jets) that is failing.

Silver02ex 05-08-2012 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by memphisbelle (Post 1184631)
Jeez. Sorry, guys. They knew when they agreed to the contract that they couldn't afford it. Not because it was anything above what you should have had, but because their business plan and way of doing business doesn't support paying people a living wage. Silly pilots...you need to eat, too?

I have heard a rumor that some of the stakeholders are banding together to try to force 9E into liquidation so that they can recover some of their money. I haven't researched it. Has anyone else heard/read anything about that? Not trying to get anyone riled up, just asking.

Pinnacle doesn't own anything... Maybe a few fax machine, a tug. That's about it, all the Q's and some 900's are going back so there's not much the share holders are going to get.

anthony210 05-08-2012 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1184634)
Much worse? This is just the brief over view and I am not sure how much worse you were looking for. QoL hit, massive benefits hit, less pay with no way to really make it back...should I go on?

Why do guys always try and justify this crap instead of standing up for what they are worth?

I was expecting something along the lines of a 10% pay cut across the board, cut in benefits and work rules etc. Did you really expect nothing to change in Bankruptcy?

So this is less of a cut than what I expected... Sorry if that offends you. However that does not mean I am happy about it.

What is me standing up going to do? This is going to happen in one way or the other. I doubt the union will agree to these concessions which is ok but Pinnacle will just go to the judge and get most if not all of these amendments approved. This will happen whether or not we whine about it on internet forums.

200Driver 05-08-2012 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by anthony210 (Post 1184670)
I was expecting something along the lines of a 10% pay cut across the board, cut in benefits and work rules etc. Did you really expect nothing to change in Bankruptcy?

So this is less of a cut than what I expected... Sorry if that offends you. However that does not mean I am happy about it.

What is me standing up going to do? This is going to happen in one way or the other. I doubt the union will agree to these concessions which is ok but Pinnacle will just go to the judge and get most if not all of these amendments approved. This will happen whether or not we whine about it on internet forums.

You as an individual nothing, however as a group there is a descent chance we could make a difference or at least educate the guys coming into the buisness. This is the only way to provoke change.

Windsor 05-09-2012 02:20 AM

Thankfully this is the company shooting for the moon. Hopefully they are proposing way more than what the final outcome will be. For those saying its not that bad, only 2.0% for fo's........you really need to look at the big picture. Sure its 2% off the top of your salary, but your health insurance costs are going to go thru the roof (42% increase in family deductable) and per deim is getting hit 8.8%.

To total that all up in a percentage loss, we are looking at 20%+ and thats JUST salary, health ins and per diem. I'm waaay too lazy to calculate all of the rest of the things we are losing and are now going to cost more.
2.0 salary
10.0 insurance premiums ****guessing**** could be worse
8.8 per deim
= 20.8% and rising

Milk Man 05-09-2012 03:14 AM

So I guess this should go without saying, dont pick up any open time when our guys are on the street

thebiscuit 05-09-2012 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 1184707)
So I guess this should go without saying, dont pick up any open time when our guys are on the street

From what they are saying on MesabaPilots.com and AirlinkPilots.com I would say that you are spot on. People will be jumping ship fast.

Ted Striker 05-09-2012 03:55 AM

Everyone plan a day, drop the plane off at a random airport, leave a note that says "I quit. Ps. Go fukc yourself Menke"

drrhythm2 05-09-2012 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by vtx531 (Post 1184649)
Don't forget after 2014 it's only 1.5%+ per year. How much is inflation? So we get a net pay cut every year after 2014.

It's averages around 2.3% over the last 10ish years, but it's been as high as 4.1% and as low as 0.1% I think, given the swings in the economy. It's easily found on google. There's a calculator that lets you see the total inflation over any period as well. Did you know that since 2004 inflation has made everything about 21% more expensive? Have the wages for regional pilots gone up anything like that? It just keeps getting worse...


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