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Milk Man 05-09-2012 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by thebiscuit (Post 1184714)
From what they are saying on MesabaPilots.com and AirlinkPilots.com I would say that you are spot on. People will be jumping ship fast.

May 7-31 there was 161hrs of open time FO Q, as of today there is 108hrs. And from my understanding they are using every bit of res coverage. Let them get in a big pickle to where they are cancelling flights.

BladeRunner 05-09-2012 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by BS in proflight (Post 1184632)
A lot of the senior guys stick around for the great 401k, they really hammered the match for the senior guys (currently 125% match on up to 10% of earnings, proposed 50% on up to 10% earnings) factor in almost 6% pay cuts and other contract language (loss of min day and most of the over time) I would say this proposal would cost some of the real senior guys at least $20-40k next year.

Looks like they want some language added in for aircraft up to 86 seats. "Please Delta don't give the regionals bigger airplanes".

That's what this is all about, every time this garbage happens bigger airplanes or new fleet aircraft are right around the corner. Sad isn't it?:(

rightside02 05-09-2012 05:07 AM

Any of you fools picking up open time while guys are on the street,,,,, shame on you..........

For those who are picking it up, try to imagine it was YOU on the street....

This is being said from someone who
Hasn't gotten the boot yet

Saabs 05-09-2012 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 1184731)
May 7-31 there was 161hrs of open time FO Q, as of today there is 108hrs. And from my understanding they are using every bit of res coverage. Let them get in a big pickle to where they are cancelling flights.

We have a lot of open time for FO's as the company is surprisingly giving them all time off for other interviews and job fairs.

The Juice 05-09-2012 05:30 AM


Any of you fools picking up open time while guys are on the street,,,,, shame on you..........

For those who are picking it up, try to imagine it was YOU on the street....

This is being said from someone who
Hasn't gotten the boot yet
Sadly there will be tools who pick up open time with furloughs an Rey will justify it with some excuse. "I have bills," or another scab like mentality

rightside02 05-09-2012 05:37 AM

There is no excuse for picking it up.... Pilots should budget their expenses based off of 75 hours.... Anythin more than that is simply extra .....

At least that's my 2 cents

gonyon 05-09-2012 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by rightside02 (Post 1184762)
There is no excuse for picking it up.... Pilots should budget their expenses based off of 75 hours.... Anythin more than that is simply extra .....

At least that's my 2 cents

Understood. some can not live off the 75 hours because of the cost to get the education for this job. i'm not advocating picking up open time but just illustrating that fact that 75 hours is not enough to LIVE on without digging into savings on a month to month basis for many in this industry.

gawd this industry sucks.

atrdriver 05-09-2012 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 1184617)
I was expecting much worse.

I don't mean to pick on you, just to comment on this mentality that is likely shared by many others...

This is the equivalent of saying, "Thank you, Sean, may I have another?" Mild case of Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps. If I was 9E management reading this, I'd think the pilots were breathing a sigh of relief and going to go with it because they were "expecting much worse." It appears it'll be a HUGE financial strain, especially considering health insurance costs. Keep fighting.

TSioux55 05-09-2012 06:39 AM

I'm so sick and tired of this ******* place!! We had some POS '99 contract until 15 months ago, and now this crap!

We still have too many people here who are willing to bend over backwards for this place, and it ****ES ME OFF!:mad: 80 degrees out and we kill the APU after engine start, taxing into ATL in the same weather and no APU start, flying DTW to CMH and requesting FL230 to save gas (we don't pay for gas), closing the door and not dropping the brake until ready to push, etc, etc. "We gotta save the company money because blah blah blah..." Well I have news for you!!!! Before as a cash cow 9E was never able to do anything right, and now some people are believing they can? :eek: What a joke of a company this is...rant over.

block30 05-09-2012 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by rightside02 (Post 1184762)
There is no excuse for picking it up.... Pilots should budget their expenses based off of 75 hours.... Anythin more than that is simply extra .....

At least that's my 2 cents

I agree, and well said.

Unfortunately, I *very* recently heard a guy talking about attempting to picking up open time to earn some extra money..vacation, pay off some debt... (Suffice it to say, not a first year FO, but will leave things vague to protect the identity).

I am tired of passenger air travel being subsidized off our own backs by our passion/motivation to fly. :mad:


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