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Also at the bottom of the insurance sheet it mentions that those numbers are for 2013 only. One of the items they want modified on page E-1 is this little nugget:
1. Section 27.A: Medical, Dental, and Prescription a. Change consent of the Association to notification prior to implementation So basically you can take whatever numbers you see there and just add more and more for each year afterwards that we are going to have to pay for insurance because there will be no limits to what the company can do... |
Lots of co-NYC domicile talk at the end of the proposal as well, no thank you.
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Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1184774)
Understood. some can not live off the 75 hours because of the cost to get the education for this job. i'm not advocating picking up open time but just illustrating that fact that 75 hours is not enough to LIVE on without digging into savings on a month to month basis for many in this industry.
gawd this industry sucks. |
Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 1184698)
Thankfully this is the company shooting for the moon. Hopefully they are proposing way more than what the final outcome will be. For those saying its not that bad, only 2.0% for fo's........you really need to look at the big picture. Sure its 2% off the top of your salary, but your health insurance costs are going to go thru the roof (42% increase in family deductable) and per deim is getting hit 8.8%.
To total that all up in a percentage loss, we are looking at 20%+ and thats JUST salary, health ins and per diem. I'm waaay too lazy to calculate all of the rest of the things we are losing and are now going to cost more. 2.0 salary 10.0 insurance premiums ****guessing**** could be worse 8.8 per deim = 20.8% and rising 2% salary hit + 10% ins hit + 8% per diem hit doesn't equal 20% total reduction in renumeration. |
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 1184841)
You might want to check your math...
2% salary hit + 10% ins hit + 8% per diem hit doesn't equal 20% total reduction in renumeration. |
Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 1184805)
I don't mean to pick on you, just to comment on this mentality that is likely shared by many others...
This is the equivalent of saying, "Thank you, Sean, may I have another?" Mild case of Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps. If I was 9E management reading this, I'd think the pilots were breathing a sigh of relief and going to go with it because they were "expecting much worse." It appears it'll be a HUGE financial strain, especially considering health insurance costs. Keep fighting. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1184627)
How did Delta put 9E into BK? Seems to me it was PT & SM. I agree Delta eliminated 2 fleet types. But why wouldn't they? Those 2 fleet types provided lift for their largest competitor. Why would Delta provide $$$ to keep a competitors lift aloft?
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
(Post 1184707)
So I guess this should go without saying, dont pick up any open time when our guys are on the street
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Off topic but I would rather have someone pick it up than anyone get J.A.ed.
Unless they try to unsuccessfully J.A. everyone in the system, not picking up opentime won't save anyone's job, sorry to say. I've been furoughed before myself. This topic comes up everytime there is a furlough. Noble intentions but it won't do anything to help as long as scheduling has the J.A. cannon to use on us. A better idea is don't answer your phone. |
There is way too many paragraphs in there about being aquired by an airline without the same union.
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