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Originally Posted by 200Driver
(Post 1184987)
"started to accept our fates"...The exact statement / mentality that will prevent this industry from ever improving. Way to many pilots have developed this mentality. Defeat is always preceded by acceptance.
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Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1185079)
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.
stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy People have no right to lecture each other on personal spending. |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 1185039)
why should they be? we will have a steady supply of pilots just as soon as the "schools" start printing up shiny brochures showing a "graduate" in the right seat of the 747 he was promised he'd be in by the time he's 26....no matter what the pay is.
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Okay, let me spell it out....
Originally Posted by rightside02
(Post 1184762)
There is no excuse for picking it up.... Pilots should budget their expenses based off of 75 hours.... Anythin more than that is simply extra .....
At least that's my 2 cents
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1184774)
Understood. some can not live off the 75 hours because of the cost to get the education for this job. i'm not advocating picking up open time but just illustrating that fact that 75 hours is not enough to LIVE on without digging into savings on a month to month basis for many in this industry.
gawd this industry sucks. -Taking a job that necessitates pulling significant overtime just to break even isn't smart. Enough people doing so degrades pay industry wide. I am not questioning how one spends his money, just saying that basing a budget on 85 hours per month (1020 hours per year) is a losing proposition. Until people stop counting on overtime and perdiem to survive, this industry will just be indentured servitude. |
Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 1185191)
-Taking a job that necessitates pulling significant overtime just to break even isn't smart. Enough people doing so degrades pay industry wide..
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Finally......... some common sense:
V. Implementation of Integrated Seniority List. A. The Carrier Parties shall not implement the Integrated Seniority List prior to Operational Integration. B. No employee of any Carrier Party may claim an entitlement to seniority rights of any type under the Integrated Seniority List, or to compensation or other benefits in lieu of such seniority rights, prior to Operational Integration. |
Finally......... some common sense:
V. Implementation of Integrated Seniority List. A. The Carrier Parties shall not implement the Integrated Seniority List prior to operational integration. B. No employee of any Carrier may claim an entitlement to seniority rights of any type under the integrated Seniority List, or to compensation or other benefits in lieu of such seniority rights, prior to Operational Integration. |
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1185079)
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.
stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy |
Originally Posted by tom14cat14
(Post 1185292)
Settle down there. I was not lecturing you i was stating what i thought josh was getting at. I too pay huge loan payments and am very fortunate my wife has a good job otherwise i would have been in Bankruptcy a long time ago. I was not commenting on what i think you or anyone else should do. I was just stating what I took from josh's comment
now off to the bar by the lawschoool to find my sugar mama. |
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1185079)
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.
stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy |
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