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11-01-2006, 08:11 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: rj 700/900
Posts: 506
Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
Have you ever actually had a REAL job? Or did mommy and daddy pay for your Purdue ed and then you were hired by a regional? just curious, cause I suspect that most of the peops on this board have never been 9 to 5 ers. The nine to five life blows, no matter what skyhigh says. And we all aren't fortunate enough like him to get a loan from our in-laws to start our own company.
Maybe this is where I find the problem. When I worked ONE of my "9-5" jobs, I would be gone for two weeks, sometimes three at a time. We would average 100 hours a week, 60 hrs was overtime. That 60 hours of overtime is where I made my real money. I worked hard, and was compensated fairly for it.
So last month I sat in my hotel for 211 hrs, 91 hrs I figured I was awake twiddling my thumbs. I’m not trying to be negative here, just the comparison was made between a regional pilot and a firefighter. And you got it.
I made ok money for the month, but the time away was not worth it.
BTW, I have worked Two part time jobs since becoming a "professional" pilot.
Look my wife and I gave it one more year. It has been taking a toll on our relationship, and to me our relationship is more important than flying a plane.
I think some of the new guys should be aware of what they are getting themselves into. For me its just not my cup of tea. Others love this lifestyle, and that is great for them.
To whoever wondered why I care about the industry, if I am working on a way out.
Its kind of like selling a car you have put a lot of time and money into, you know you are going to part with it, but its still your baby. And what else is there to do when I sit in my hotel room for 211 hours a month. I work on my new business and read fourms........
Last edited by bla bla bla; 11-01-2006 at 08:27 AM.
11-01-2006, 08:18 AM
#32
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Bug Smasher Captain, CFI
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
It depends on where your uncle lived and how much overtime he took on. Regional pilots love to atrificially inflate their pay but if your were to evaluate it based upon STRAIGHT pay then it would not be great. Lets not forget the lowly paid early years spent as a CFI and the unstable nature of the airlines. I think it is unlikely that one in the regionals can expect a smooth 30 year career. Your uncle can bank on an unbroken ride to a great government funded retirement. In the long run he will earn far more.
Skyhigh
Skyhigh
11-01-2006, 08:20 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: rj 700/900
Posts: 506
Originally Posted by crjav8er
Ah, but you are forgetting about the ability to hand fly to maintain proficiency. I can hand fly every leg if I choose to (for proficiency of course). The captain can ask me not to, but he cannot require me not to.
For those of you that are complaining about spending so much time in a hotel room, don't do it. Get out and explore your surroundings. There is nothing worse than someone slam-clicking and missing some great experiences. If you give me enough time there, I can find something fun to do in every city.
For those of you that are complaining about spending so much time in a hotel room, don't do it. Get out and explore your surroundings. There is nothing worse than someone slam-clicking and missing some great experiences. If you give me enough time there, I can find something fun to do in every city.
Yeah in San Deigo, I hung out with some bums at at the harbor for a while one night cause I was lonely. Pretty cool watching some guys dive for lobsters.
Going out on the town would be a lot more fun if you were single , like the good old days.
Last edited by bla bla bla; 11-01-2006 at 08:30 AM.
11-01-2006, 09:03 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: SF340
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Well you had better stay where you are since most regionals require the use of automation.
Skyhigh
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11-01-2006, 09:43 AM
#35
Organizational Learning
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Hand flying is really a thing of the past as far at the airlines go. It is an emergency procedure to be saved for extreme situations and most landings. The AP goes on upon reaching 1000' and off at 200 on approach.
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11-01-2006, 10:05 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 757/767
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by bla bla bla
Yeah I love my job when I actually fly.
Of the 376 hours I was gone last month I flew 50 myself. Of the 50 that were my leg, actual hand flying was problay a total of 6 hours, figuring 10 min's a flight at 35 flights.
I was with my wife 3 hours a night for the nights home since she works late.
I spent 91 unproductive hours in a hotel by my self with no compensation.
I think the point is, flying for a regional compared to other jobs blows. (note, no sugar coating). We should never let our love for flying be part of our compensation package.
And yes I am working on another carreer.
Of the 376 hours I was gone last month I flew 50 myself. Of the 50 that were my leg, actual hand flying was problay a total of 6 hours, figuring 10 min's a flight at 35 flights.
I was with my wife 3 hours a night for the nights home since she works late.
I spent 91 unproductive hours in a hotel by my self with no compensation.
I think the point is, flying for a regional compared to other jobs blows. (note, no sugar coating). We should never let our love for flying be part of our compensation package.
And yes I am working on another carreer.
Since when did the regional airlines become a career choice to begin with? Yeah it's hard to get where I'm at but it's not like it doesn't ever happen. A regional airline has always been and probably will always be a stepping stone, period. Nobody should be thinking about them in any other fashion. So to start some silly comparison to other professions is simply misguided because the regionals shouldn't be end of that profession.
11-01-2006, 10:24 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,242
Originally Posted by bla bla bla
The answer is yes. I put myself through college, took out my student loans like most.
Maybe this is where I find the problem. When I worked ONE of my "9-5" jobs, I would be gone for two weeks, sometimes three at a time. We would average 100 hours a week, 60 hrs was overtime. That 60 hours of overtime is where I made my real money. I worked hard, and was compensated fairly for it.
So last month I sat in my hotel for 211 hrs, 91 hrs I figured I was awake twiddling my thumbs. I’m not trying to be negative here, just the comparison was made between a regional pilot and a firefighter. And you got it.
I made ok money for the month, but the time away was not worth it.
BTW, I have worked Two part time jobs since becoming a "professional" pilot.
Look my wife and I gave it one more year. It has been taking a toll on our relationship, and to me our relationship is more important than flying a plane.
I think some of the new guys should be aware of what they are getting themselves into. For me its just not my cup of tea. Others love this lifestyle, and that is great for them.
To whoever wondered why I care about the industry, if I am working on a way out.
Its kind of like selling a car you have put a lot of time and money into, you know you are going to part with it, but its still your baby. And what else is there to do when I sit in my hotel room for 211 hours a month. I work on my new business and read fourms........
Maybe this is where I find the problem. When I worked ONE of my "9-5" jobs, I would be gone for two weeks, sometimes three at a time. We would average 100 hours a week, 60 hrs was overtime. That 60 hours of overtime is where I made my real money. I worked hard, and was compensated fairly for it.
So last month I sat in my hotel for 211 hrs, 91 hrs I figured I was awake twiddling my thumbs. I’m not trying to be negative here, just the comparison was made between a regional pilot and a firefighter. And you got it.
I made ok money for the month, but the time away was not worth it.
BTW, I have worked Two part time jobs since becoming a "professional" pilot.
Look my wife and I gave it one more year. It has been taking a toll on our relationship, and to me our relationship is more important than flying a plane.
I think some of the new guys should be aware of what they are getting themselves into. For me its just not my cup of tea. Others love this lifestyle, and that is great for them.
To whoever wondered why I care about the industry, if I am working on a way out.
Its kind of like selling a car you have put a lot of time and money into, you know you are going to part with it, but its still your baby. And what else is there to do when I sit in my hotel room for 211 hours a month. I work on my new business and read fourms........
In three years of marriage my wife and I have spent a little over 14 months together. Military life also takes it toll. However, I get compensated well and I know I'm making a dent in the war on terror. I honestly feel I'd fit in well at the airlines. I'm use to the long hours / days away from home. My family is already use to it and support my life/career decisions.
I have an 19 month old daughter that I haven't seen since she was 14 months old.
-LAFF
11-01-2006, 10:51 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 762
Here are some real numbers, comparing pay. Straight Pay. Not using made up numbers that cannot be proven. All these numbers are from the Department of Labor.
Police:
Median annual earnings of $45,210 in May 2004
The only Police (on average of course) who made anywhere near 100k are Police Chiefs and Deputy Chiefs, and some Captains.
Firefighters:
Median hourly earnings of fire fighters were $18.43 in May 2004. The middle 50 percent earned between $13.65 and $24.14. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $9.71, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $29.21. Median hourly earnings were $18.78 in local government, $17.34 in the Federal Government, and $14.94 in State government.
Median annual earnings of first-line supervisors/managers of fire fighting and prevention workers were $58,920 in May 2004
Median annual earnings of fire inspectors and investigators were $46,340 in May 2004
Fire Chiefs, on average, make less than Police Chiefs.
Teachers:
Median annual earnings of kindergarten, elementary, middle, and secondary school teachers ranged from $41,400 to $45,920 in May 2004.
Pilots:
Median annual earnings of commercial pilots were $53,870 in May 2004
Police:
Median annual earnings of $45,210 in May 2004
The only Police (on average of course) who made anywhere near 100k are Police Chiefs and Deputy Chiefs, and some Captains.
Firefighters:
Median hourly earnings of fire fighters were $18.43 in May 2004. The middle 50 percent earned between $13.65 and $24.14. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $9.71, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $29.21. Median hourly earnings were $18.78 in local government, $17.34 in the Federal Government, and $14.94 in State government.
Median annual earnings of first-line supervisors/managers of fire fighting and prevention workers were $58,920 in May 2004
Median annual earnings of fire inspectors and investigators were $46,340 in May 2004
Fire Chiefs, on average, make less than Police Chiefs.
Teachers:
Median annual earnings of kindergarten, elementary, middle, and secondary school teachers ranged from $41,400 to $45,920 in May 2004.
Pilots:
Median annual earnings of commercial pilots were $53,870 in May 2004
11-01-2006, 11:42 AM
#39
Self Employed.
Thread Starter
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Originally Posted by crjav8er
Ah, but you are forgetting about the ability to hand fly to maintain proficiency. I can hand fly every leg if I choose to (for proficiency of course). The captain can ask me not to, but he cannot require me not to.
For those of you that are complaining about spending so much time in a hotel room, don't do it. Get out and explore your surroundings. There is nothing worse than someone slam-clicking and missing some great experiences. If you give me enough time there, I can find something fun to do in every city.
For those of you that are complaining about spending so much time in a hotel room, don't do it. Get out and explore your surroundings. There is nothing worse than someone slam-clicking and missing some great experiences. If you give me enough time there, I can find something fun to do in every city.
Skyhigh
11-01-2006, 12:18 PM
#40
Self Employed.
Thread Starter
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Fire and Police Wages
Again it is important to compare apples to apples. Most regional airline jobs are located in urban areas. The government website has some numbers that are misleading. It takes into consideration every firefighter and police job both rural and city. In my small town 100 miles from Seattle civil servants earn perhaps half of what their urban counterparts make.
Here is a starting wage for Montclair California police job.
$4,451 - $5,410
($4,239/mo. salary while enrolled in the 20-week Police Academy)
City Pays 9% of Employees' Portion of 3% at 55 PERS Contribution
Here is firefighter pay off the city of Los Angeles web Site:
Starting salary $46,729 - $64,686
BENEFITS
Thirteen paid holidays per year.
Sixteen days paid vacation to start.
Family health and dental coverage.
Pension plan
In addition I had a conversation about an hour ago with a plumber at one of my job sites. He told me that after three years as an apprentice a fully licensed plumber earns 50-60K in residential and 60-70K commercial as a Non-union employee. In addition they have the ability to start their own company and earn much more.
In any case it sure beats four years in college to be followed by years of slave wages before finally reaching plumber wages in your mid-30's
SkyHigh
Here is a starting wage for Montclair California police job.
$4,451 - $5,410
($4,239/mo. salary while enrolled in the 20-week Police Academy)
City Pays 9% of Employees' Portion of 3% at 55 PERS Contribution
Here is firefighter pay off the city of Los Angeles web Site:
Starting salary $46,729 - $64,686
BENEFITS
Thirteen paid holidays per year.
Sixteen days paid vacation to start.
Family health and dental coverage.
Pension plan
In addition I had a conversation about an hour ago with a plumber at one of my job sites. He told me that after three years as an apprentice a fully licensed plumber earns 50-60K in residential and 60-70K commercial as a Non-union employee. In addition they have the ability to start their own company and earn much more.
In any case it sure beats four years in college to be followed by years of slave wages before finally reaching plumber wages in your mid-30's
SkyHigh
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