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11-01-2006, 04:34 AM
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Cop
Originally Posted by buffalopilot
my uncle was a cop in ny and after 25 years on the force with overtime he only made 80 grand. 25 years at a regional makes more than that. In fact after you upgrade you make that with in 10 years at a regional
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11-01-2006, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flynavyj
if you're doing this for the strict love of hand flying an airplane, then you should probably look into a different type of flying, as no airline, regional or major is going to give you that satisfaction, unless you're flying a nice piece of historic equipment.
Truth is, millions of individuals hate their job, and millions of individuals will retire from the same job they hate. Typically, all we do on here is ***** about how little we're getting paid, although i'm sure we heard what we'd make in the interview, and then after we make crappy pay, we complain about it a lil' more...all said and done, i'd rather not hear the complaining unless someone's doing something to fix the problem.
Also, what good does it do complaining if you're not even in the freakin industry anymore?
Truth is, millions of individuals hate their job, and millions of individuals will retire from the same job they hate. Typically, all we do on here is ***** about how little we're getting paid, although i'm sure we heard what we'd make in the interview, and then after we make crappy pay, we complain about it a lil' more...all said and done, i'd rather not hear the complaining unless someone's doing something to fix the problem.
Also, what good does it do complaining if you're not even in the freakin industry anymore?
I think this thread is doing something to fix the problem. If regional pilots will stop and figure out how little they are getting paid in comparison to other professions then perhaps we will effect change. Self deception does no good. An honest attempt to calculate the real compensation of a career at the regionals I think is a first step.
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11-01-2006, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JMT21
It's just the name of the game, you don't go into the career expecting to be gone only 40 hours a week.
11-01-2006, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bla bla bla
I was with my wife 3 hours a night for the nights home since she works late.
I spent 91 unproductive hours in a hotel by my self with no compensation.
I think the point is, flying for a regional compared to other jobs blows. (note, no sugar coating). We should never let our love for flying be part of our compensation package.
And yes I am working on another carreer.
11-01-2006, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by flynavyj
if you're doing this for the strict love of hand flying an airplane, then you should probably look into a different type of flying, as no airline, regional or major is going to give you that satisfaction, unless you're flying a nice piece of historic equipment.
11-01-2006, 05:56 AM
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Sorry
Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
Have you ever actually had a REAL job? Or did mommy and daddy pay for your Purdue ed and then you were hired by a regional? just curious, cause I suspect that most of the peops on this board have never been 9 to 5 ers. The nine to five life blows, no matter what skyhigh says. And we all aren't fortunate enough like him to get a loan from our in-laws to start our own company.
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11-01-2006, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KZ1000Shaft
Thats not true. I can hand fly as much as I care to...sometimes more if the autopilot is broken. I always handfly atleast 1 full leg per month. Many times the autopilot isn't clicked on until after level off unless I am feeling extra lazy that day. If you happen to go to a BE1900 operator most of the time you have no choice...you WILL hand fly because there is NO autopilot installed.
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11-01-2006, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Well you had better stay where you are since most regionals require the use of automation.
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11-01-2006, 06:32 AM
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Philosophy of Automation
Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
Why is that? Don't they want to leave the decision to use autopilot or not up to the CA?
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Some of the benefits to this approach are that both pilots can easily see what the other intends. Sometimes it is difficult to guess what another is thinking and false assumptions can be made. The proper use of automation and planning can easily be verified by a few button pushes. In effect both pilots are able to be fully engaged in flying the plane.
In addition I read a study once that proclaimed that IFR hand flying took around 70 to 100% of ones mental focus to accomplish. By having the AP on the pilot is then freed to take on other more important functions like traffic avoidance and planning.
Hand flying is really a thing of the past as far at the airlines go. It is an emergency procedure to be saved for extreme situations and most landings. The AP goes on upon reaching 1000' and off at 200 on approach. Even in the simulator you are encouraged to use the AP as much as possible. Some of the more modern planes are not even airworthy if the AP is in op.
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11-01-2006, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I can't remember the words verbatim however in the opening pages of the FOM at Horizon Air it stated the companies "Philosophy of Automation". The statement basically was that the aircraft is equipped with millions of dollars in the best of automation technology. The pilots job was to manage that automation effectively and in its highest form. It did allow for hand flying of approaches in VFR weather in VFR conditions at the captains discretion.
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For those of you that are complaining about spending so much time in a hotel room, don't do it. Get out and explore your surroundings. There is nothing worse than someone slam-clicking and missing some great experiences. If you give me enough time there, I can find something fun to do in every city.
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