News Report: Comair getting shut down?
07-24-2012, 09:25 PM
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Believe what you want. About 5 weeks ago, I too heard 7/27 as "the announcement" from a very reliable source. And this was just before that painful memo came out. And no, I will not post my source on an anonymous forum. I truely hope something has changed recently to prevent this. I have only love and hope for my former Comair peeps! 
P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?
P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?
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07-25-2012, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
Aren't they required to give WARN notices 60 days in advance?
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07-25-2012, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
Yeah. 30 days to staff 28+ aircraft. Righttttt....
07-25-2012, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
28+ aircraft, of which you don't want to fly all of them and plan to park some/most...and spread out among what, 4-5 airlines...right?
07-25-2012, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
I would say over 2-3 airlines, and they would drop 200's so it would end up as = staffing.. My thinking would be....If Comair was going to be around long term, they would have countered the bad pess about getting shutdown..
07-25-2012, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
Once again. You forget the fact that Comair is in contract negotiations with all THREE UNIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY! A company NEVER counters bad press at this time and in fact may encourage it.
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.
07-25-2012, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by evilboy
As you can tell, everybody else has countered point your claims (btw it is only required 30 days notice to DOT to change an ENTIRE schedule, never the less one that might be spread about different airlines). However this statement is probably the smartest you have made about this situation. Yes it is a small possibility to use the bad press and info circulating as a contract negotiation point. Yet my question would be (if i were an union negotiator), "why would I be affraid of those rumors if you (mgmt) is still negotiating for a new contract?. What's the point if you (mgmt) are going to closes us down?".
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.
07-25-2012, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
Originally Posted by evilboy
As you can tell, everybody else has countered point your claims (btw it is only required 30 days notice to DOT to change an ENTIRE schedule, never the less one that might be spread about different airlines). However this statement is probably the smartest you have made about this situation. Yes it is a small possibility to use the bad press and info circulating as a contract negotiation point. Yet my question would be (if i were an union negotiator), "why would I be affraid of those rumors if you (mgmt) is still negotiating for a new contract?. What's the point if you (mgmt) are going to closes us down?".
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.
07-25-2012, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Av8rking
Believe what you want. About 5 weeks ago, I too heard 7/27 as "the announcement" from a very reliable source. And this was just before that painful memo came out. And no, I will not post my source on an anonymous forum. I truely hope something has changed recently to prevent this. I have only love and hope for my former Comair peeps!
P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?
P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?
07-25-2012, 07:52 AM
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From what I understand, two of three unions have proposals before the company. The IBT has not as far as I know.
I still think that Delta's intention is to shut us down; though I am sure they would love to get a very favorable contract from pilots, what pilots do means nothing if the others don't play ball.
Here's how I would handicap this: 65% chance we are shut down outright. 20% chance of some sort of hybrid arrangement that calls for some airplanes/crews to go elsewhere. 15% chance of new contract with drastically low rates (lower than gojets) and hope for expansion.
Of course, Comair could merely be a stalking horse to used in negotiations with Pinnacle.
I still think that Delta's intention is to shut us down; though I am sure they would love to get a very favorable contract from pilots, what pilots do means nothing if the others don't play ball.
Here's how I would handicap this: 65% chance we are shut down outright. 20% chance of some sort of hybrid arrangement that calls for some airplanes/crews to go elsewhere. 15% chance of new contract with drastically low rates (lower than gojets) and hope for expansion.
Of course, Comair could merely be a stalking horse to used in negotiations with Pinnacle.
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