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johnso29 09-25-2012 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1266147)
Thats the problem when people vote by emotions.

Voting NO is not voting with emotion. What drives you to vote YES may drive someone else to vote NO, simply because of where the two individuals are in their respective careers.

eaglefly 09-25-2012 09:06 AM

If you research RJ pilots posts, you'll find he is perfectly happy knifing his fellow pilots in the back as long as it is "good for him". Thus, any statements he makes cannot be taken objectively due to extreme personal bias toward his self-interest.

RJ Pilot 09-25-2012 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1266309)
If you research RJ pilots posts, you'll find he is perfectly happy knifing his fellow pilots in the back as long as it is "good for him". Thus, any statements he makes cannot be taken objectively due to extreme personal bias toward his self-interest.

Isn't that how it works? Im voting for whats good for me which is a Yes. The same thing can be said by those who vote No.
How is it working for you guys?

johnso29 09-25-2012 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1266336)
Isn't that how it works? Im voting for whats good for me which is a Yes. The same thing can be said by those who vote No.
How is it working for you guys?

And therefore you CAN'T accuse someone of "voting with emotion" because they choose NO.

D B Cooper 09-25-2012 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1266336)
Isn't that how it works? Im voting for whats good for me which is a Yes. The same thing can be said by those who vote No.
How is it working for you guys?

Considering AMR wants to enter into negotiations again with APA I'd say things are working. I guess the alternative is to never fight for what you want. But then again you are RJ pilot. I hope one day you can sit in your big new E175. Or maybe a 900. I hear they have 2 bathrooms. Can you believe it?

Mason32 09-25-2012 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 1266240)
Interestly enough her posts on all sites echo the sound of management stooge. Just reading her posts on these sites would make me vote no. Basic understanding AMR hasn't filed an 1113 so stating they will is guess work. You apparently agree that this is concessionary and not sec 6. Who signs an 8 year contract with bankruptcy terms. Jim Winkley is in NYC today. Saw him land. Surprised he didnt have secret service. More surprising why he would show up in NYC to scare more pilots. Unless they in Dallas are worried. You would think the MEC chair would show up not VP of flight. Guess he gets a bonus if it passes.

I'm told by internal sources that EGL ALPA has the ability to view the balloting numbers real time... Wouldn't be surprised to see them use that type of data to target where they send union/company stooges.

NY must be going heavily NO for them to drag out First Officer Winkley. He may be on loan from us to AE as your VP of flight, but he's on our pilot list as an FO. Was he given a leave of absence from AE when they weren't being offered to all? Will any of you get a LOA when/if you flow to AA?

What about your former negotiator turned federal mediation board member... Isn't he on a leave too? Another Bennie for a Team Tony player? When was his LOA approved? Better yet, why was your union paying for his ticket for him and his family at your NY family awareness event? This is the same guy we have to rely on to get released for self help? A guy who appears bought and paid for by your union and the company.

buddies8 09-25-2012 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 1266353)
Considering AMR wants to enter into negotiations again with APA I'd say things are working. I guess the alternative is to never fight for what you want. But then again you are RJ pilot. I hope one day you can sit in your big new E175. Or maybe a 900. I hear they have 2 bathrooms. Can you believe it?

I voted NO, but can you believe it 2 bathrooms. No more walking the eisle of shame.

buddies8 09-25-2012 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1266386)
I'm told by internal sources that EGL ALPA has the ability to view the balloting numbers real time... Wouldn't be surprised to see them use that type of data to target where they send union/company stooges.

NY must be going heavily NO for them to drag out First Officer Winkley. He may be on loan from us to AE as your VP of flight, but he's on our pilot list as an FO. Was he given a leave of absence from AE when they weren't being offered to all? Will any of you get a LOA when/if you flow to AA?

What about your former negotiator turned federal mediation board member... Isn't he on a leave too? Another Bennie for a Team Tony player? When was his LOA approved? Better yet, why was your union paying for his ticket for him and his family at your NY family awareness event? This is the same guy we have to rely on to get released for self help? A guy who appears bought and paid for by your union and the company.

All points very true.

lakehouse 09-26-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1266638)
I voted NO, but can you believe it 2 bathrooms. No more walking the eisle of shame.

Would we get those fancy wire things that stop terrorists from rushing you in the lav?


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